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Last edited: Mar 01, 2020 08:10:24

"Midnight at the Chronolab" by the Tomorrowmen dishes up some beautiful sounding chords. I haven't taken the time to learn it yet, but it sounds like it has lots of 7th chords with colorful alterations in it.

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Moody songs like M@CL allow for more complex chords, but your basic upbeat surf song doesn't easily absorb them. My theory is that surf songs move pretty quick (wasn't there a thread on average song tempos a while back?) and the casual listener's brain won't be able to receive too much in the way of complex chording, or in the melody for that matter. A boundary that I'm always skating on, usually falling off into the 'too much' side.

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

Generally I avoid anything but major or minor(occasionally sevenths both major and minor) as the chord that is played the entirety of a measure. I do a ton of different fingerings to the point where I don't really know what I'm playing throughout that measure. Literally... I don't know some of the chords I'm holding. My finger just goes there. Those go throughout the measure to build an underlying melody and to add dynamic drama at key points in a song.

Jake, you've been telling us for years about your technique and opinions on song construction. Why don't you share some of your music with us so we can hear for ourselves?

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

I don't finish most of it. I have no idea what I want to do!

http://soundcloud.com/jacobdobner

Here is the highest quality demo(I'ved posted it before) I have that is solely me and not having friends contributing. It is pretty straight forward/the most accessible thing I've done. Loads of flaws still, I've done some more mixing/recording to this. I'm still meaning to change several things. I'm a perfectionist on my songs. Perfection is really fucking hard...

Last edited: Jun 13, 2012 19:23:57

I am learning minor 7th flat 5th chords and diminished 7th chords right now (well, my mind is learning them but my fingers aren't catching on as quick, lol).

I love how these chords sound (especially the dimished 7th. Sounds sinister), but I'm not sure if I could build a surf song out of them. Maybe sometimes throw them in for some tension/resolution moments, but not sure how a surf song full of them would sound. Maybe one of you theory types could point me to some surf songs with examples of those chords in them (if they exist).

A lot of the early surf standards are pretty basic major and minor chords, at least thats what my noob ear picks up.

Last edited: Jun 13, 2012 19:55:57

So, on that song

Intro/Part A
Am Am C C

Part B
C G9 Am F9

Part C
C F9

Generally the Am gets a G chord made up of open strings on the d, g, b strings. Just smacking that G and hammering on into a Am rather quickly.

And The 9th chords, they don't stay that way. My fingers dance around on those, I can't even tell you what some of the chords are. Only chord in the whole song that is static are the C chords.

For example in part B, the F9 goes from:
F9 F ? F ?

The ? chord is maybe like a Fmin7

0 - - - -
0 - - - -
- - 2 - -
- - - 3-
x - - - -
x - - - -

And the beginning Am is

G hammered very quickly to Am remember. And below is laid out per strum, not even per beat.
G->Am Am Asus Am Asus2 Am Asus2

Hi Jake,

Your ? chord is a Fmaj7b5 a chord which occurs in different voicings in surf music fairly often, particularly "Latin'ia" by the Sentinals.

Best regards,
JD

From what I've learned 7th and 9th are used often, but most of the time it's the simple minor/major stuff. Like Danny wrote it's the moody songs that contain a more unusual songwriting.

Moon over Manakoora is a good example I think:
A Am A Am (Intro)
A Am E E
A Am E E
B Es6/G B/F# B/B
B Es6/G E E7
B Es6/G E C E C (Ending)

But also faster songs can be more complex. Anyone downloaded our album? Check out 'Cat Mobile' to get an impression of a faster song containig weird chords. MOAM uses the 'devil's chord' a lot.

Btw, what's this:
-7-
-7-
-8-
-9-
-7-


Last chord of the James Bond Theme but I can't figure out what it's supposed to be?!

@Jake: Nice recording!

The Hicadoolas

SanchoPansen wrote:

Btw, what's this:
-7-
-7-
-8-
-9-
-7-


Last chord of the James Bond Theme but I can't figure out what it's supposed to be?!

Big discussion here 'bout that chord FWIW http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/comping-chords-chord-progressions/5336-what-spy-james-bond-chord.html

get a load of the quadrotors rendition!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sUeGC-8dyk&feature=player_embedded

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Surf Daddies

Last edited: Jun 14, 2012 02:59:22

Bob from Beloved Invaders taught me the james bond chord. Try
0
10
9
8
7
x
(you can also play the high E open, if you choose) it's an Em/maj9

Mmmh, I'll give it a shot, but recommend you try the one mentioned above as well.

7
7
8
9
7
x

Sounds fine (more accurate) to me.

The Hicadoolas

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Last edited: Mar 01, 2020 08:09:56

That is the chord I play...more or less.
There's no G in my suggestion, which is not crucial for our version.
Maybe I should have pointed out that we have 2 guitars. Guitar 2 plays a regular Em (incl. the missing G).

The Hicadoolas

JakeDobner wrote:

I don't finish most of it. I have no idea what I want to do!

http://soundcloud.com/jacobdobner

Here is the highest quality demo(I'ved posted it before) I have that is solely me and not having friends contributing. It is pretty straight forward/the most accessible thing I've done. Loads of flaws still, I've done some more mixing/recording to this. I'm still meaning to change several things. I'm a perfectionist on my songs. Perfection is really fucking hard...

Nobody reaches perfection, but the pursuit of it leads to greatness, which is a nice consolation. The key is perseverance, keep working the nuances.

That was pretty good Jake. Are you familiar with Björn Olsson? You may enjoy his music, check out this video:

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

Back to chords, it's ok to use different chords, but it's important to leave room in the arrangement for the chord's character to dominate. Otherwise it just sounds ambiguous and muddy. Typically, you let the chord ring out so the listener has time to process it, don't strum or give it too much rhythm. And don't play a complex melody on top, let the chord be the defining part of that section. YMMV

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

I like to play with more complex chords than you generally hear in surf music. I find they help build tension and make a song more interesting. I play in a 3 piece, so I have much more freedom to do what I want (double edged sword.) Unfortunately, I can't tell you what those chords are, because I have no idea Confused

Ryan
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Ruhar wrote:

Unfortunately, I can't tell you what those chords are, because I have no idea Confused

Seriously? Hmmm

josheboy wrote:

Seriously? Hmmm

Seriously. I'm a musical moron when it comes to describing chords, scales, etc. I don't really write music from a theory perspective. It doesn't really interest me that much. I would like to know more and be able to communicate things better, but most of my songs are in my head and I just play them to the band until we work out the tune. In fact, I don't even pay any attention to what the chords are in a song until I have to find them to teach the song to our bass player. Kind of a backwards way of writing, but I tend to write from the melody first and then discover what chords are there later. I should have been a flute player...

Ryan
The Secret Samurai Website
The Secret Samurai on Facebook

Last edited: Jun 14, 2012 11:12:26

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