BillyBlastOff
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1070
Ventura County, Calif.
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Posted on May 11 2012 09:54 AM
psychonaut wrote:
BillyBlastOff wrote:
Sorry, but whoever brought keyboards into Surf music should be shot at sunrise. It just doesn't seem to fit. Ok, start your hate mail now!
Billy
Well I guess you won't like my band then.
Ha ha! I thought this thread was dead and buried! I started this thread over 3 1/2 years ago.
It's all good Psychonaut. I'm sure your band does a fine job with keyboards, organ, whatever. I'm really referring to the bands where the organ overpowers the whole tune, and then repeatedly plays tune after tune with the organ overpowering once again. After two or three songs of this, I can't take it. ;D
There's lots of bands out there that can apply the keyboards/organ tastefully without overkill and use it as a filler. Then it works for me.
It's just my opinion. Keep rockin'.
— Be careful following the masses. Sometimes the "M" is silent...........................
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remora1
Joined: Jan 04, 2008
Posts: 1277
San Pedro, CA
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Posted on May 11 2012 10:20 AM
BillyBlastOff wrote:
I'm really referring to the bands where the organ overpowers the whole tune, and then repeatedly plays tune after tune with the organ overpowering once again. After two or three songs of this, I can't take it. ;D
There's lots of bands out there that can apply the keyboards/organ tastefully without overkill and use it as a filler. Then it's works for me.
It's just my opinion. Keep rockin'.
This is the same opinion I have about harmonica players in blues bands. Sometimes (rarely) you'll see one who knows how to lay out and pick his moments and it can be great. Other times you've got one who's honkin' all over the place until you want to just shoot the s.o.b.
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on May 11 2012 10:52 AM
remora1 wrote:
This is the same opinion I have about harmonica players in blues bands. Sometimes (rarely) you'll see one who knows how to lay out and pick his moments and it can be great. Other times you've got one who's honkin' all over the place until you want to just shoot the s.o.b.
There's a couple otherwise great blues concerts I've seen that were ruined because Paul Butterfield wouldn't stop playing over the guitar solos. 
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25621
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on May 11 2012 12:25 PM
Billy,
I know the type of songs yer talking about, and I agree to some point.
Check out the laid back keyboards in this Bambi Molesters tune.
The Guitars are the main lines, but the eerie keyboards are there to add atmosphere to the song.
Bambi Molesters-"Point of No Return"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mc6Xxg9fsg&feature=related
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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bamboozer
Joined: Jan 18, 2010
Posts: 672
Delaware
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Posted on May 13 2012 08:23 AM
One of the hardest things to learn as a musician is when to lay out of lay back and it goes for any instrument. You spend a big part of your life learning to play and now you want to do it, as much as possible. I've seen and heard many guys, myself included, who needed to back the hell off whether on stage or in the studio. Surf is always going to be dominated by the guitar, but the same old same old gets boring. Thats when to add keys, sax, theremin or whatever you want if it works. Emphasis on If It Works.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on May 13 2012 08:34 AM
bamboozer wrote:
One of the hardest things to learn as a musician is when to lay out of lay back and it goes for any instrument. You spend a big part of your life learning to play and now you want to do it, as much as possible.
Not for me, I haven't wanted to be a flashy guitarist for a long long time. Always focused on making music instead of my instrument. I've listened and studied to so many albums in my day that I feel I have a very good idea on a good mix. Being of my era, this could be a very different idea than the generations before me. What I'm saying is that it is an aesthetic.
You are right that so many people get it wrong.
Stage volume isn't really something people have control over. My suggestion is to practice at the volume you are going to play live at. Then you will get an idea of how it will balance. When you are live on stage you are too far away from other musicians and with too much in between you to properly judge their volume so you have to have faith in using the settings you use in practice where you have a nice balance. Sound guys can mess things up in the house as well.
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raito
Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Posts: 551
Madison, WI
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Posted on May 13 2012 09:12 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
Stage volume isn't really something people have control over. My suggestion is to practice at the volume you are going to play live at. Then you will get an idea of how it will balance. When you are live on stage you are too far away from other musicians and with too much in between you to properly judge their volume so you have to have faith in using the settings you use in practice where you have a nice balance. Sound guys can mess things up in the house as well.
Must be nice. Most places I've set up at were so small you had to figure out which way to face to keep from bumping headstocks.
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BeachBumScott
Joined: Aug 31, 2009
Posts: 352
The Ranch, CO
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Posted on Jul 08 2012 02:46 PM
I was wondering if anyone had started a thread like this.
While I really dig first wave sax playing a lot I am not much of a fan of some of the keyboard stuff.
It seems like in a lot of surf songs that the keyboard player needs to be more like a bass player than a lead guitar.
BTD posted exactly what I am refering to here, but in this example the bass player is so distracting I didn't even hear a keyboard player, I was to busy watching her hands.
I wish I could play Bass like Ladislava does.
bigtikidude wrote:
Billy,
I know the type of songs yer talking about, and I agree to some point.
Check out the laid back keyboards in this Bambi Molesters tune.
The Guitars are the main lines, but the eerie keyboards are there to add atmosphere to the song.
Bambi Molesters-"Point of No Return"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mc6Xxg9fsg&feature=related
— "Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck
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