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Psychonaut......... I'm soooooo jealous...... Nice rig!!

vintagesurfdude wrote:

Psychonaut......... I'm soooooo jealous...... Nice
rig!!

Thanks! It can be a real maintenance nightmare though

https://www.facebook.com/coffindagger
http://coffindaggers.com/
http://thecoffindaggers.bandcamp.com

It's not really my home gear, It's al in our rehearsal space.
Most of it was obtained very cheaply thanks to everyone switching to digital. Some of it came from a couple of out of business studios and post production houses. The Otari two track in the pic next to the Ampex was free because they couldn't sell it!
Here's a close-up of the mixing desk. It's a 1973 Allen & Heath mixer - one of the earliest they made, serial #0053. Really nice British style EQ.
16 channel, 8 busses, and 16 channel monitor return section.

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Here's the playing space:

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Located in Beuatiful Jersey City, right across from a chromium dump!

https://www.facebook.com/coffindagger
http://coffindaggers.com/
http://thecoffindaggers.bandcamp.com

Hi!

Does anybody use line6 ux1/ux2 for home recording surf stuff? Can you tell me sthing about this, show songs, etc?

thanks

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

so, anybody? Smile

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

I have a POD X3, and I use it to record when it's late and the kids are sleeping - it's awesome for that. There's a showman model and a '65 twin model, they sound pretty much the same, except the showman has a bit more bass. I have a '64 reverb tank... I go into the tank and then into the pod, then into the computer via USB, and it can sound pretty good.

Thanks subdigit6, do you record your ideas, or complete arrangements? I ask because of the latency. Im a little bit afraid of the usb connection Smile

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

Don't know about L6, but I heard their newer offerings are much better than the legacy ones, in terms of sound and latency.
It's all in the drivers' design and implementation.
PCI or PCI-E(x) is best, but usually it's expensive units for the ones with good converters (expect the old Echo Gina/Layla 3G - still very recommended.)
The new crop of USB2 interfaces are awesome. Of course, there's the expensive RME Babyface, which is stellar.

I recently got a Native Instruments Komplete 6, and its awesome. Very good sound and headroom, stable, and latency is undetectable, even with buffer as high as 256 samples (I'm very sensitive to it, can't stand delayed reaction). But my system is highly optimized. I recommend you checking it out, at this price range it's one of the best.

@togergo-
I do both, whatever is happening at the time. I use a quad-core PC with Vista and Sonar 8.5 Producer edition, and I don't have any latency issues whatsoever. If the software is automatically compensating, I don't even know... it just works! (BTW- I sent you a PM)

thanks, it's enough :), can you show some surf sunds from this stuff, or these arent public?

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

And thanks Ariel, im shure these are grat stuff, now theres one line6 ux2 in a shop, very good price, thats why im interested in line6

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

Zoom H4n

The ux2 is a bit old, notice that it's really USB 1.1 (just 2.0 compatible) - that means higher latency overall, more prone to clicks/pops and suspect to stability issues. If you go USB route anyway, go 2.0. But that's cool if you can get it at a very low price, depending on how you want to use it (at this range, they're all pretty similar). The Podfarm is nice software.

Here's a nice latency comparison (not written in stone!) between the better interfaces out there, to give you a general idea of the performance margins. The ux2 is not in there, but I speculate it would have been waaaay down.

Last edited: Apr 22, 2012 01:03:47

Yes, yes, thanks the link, you're right, the real benefits of the line6 is the special guitar features, and the softwares.

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

Nothing "special" about it, it's just marketing. A modern USB 2.0 interface will outperform it, period. The software's nice, but there are nicer still. There are some free amp simulators out there that are very good.
Bottom line, I don't recommend the ux2, don't be tempted by shallow marketing, for an outdated unit.

i dont know.. ive got an emu 0404 (135$ - no mic preamp) amplitube (it was used, ~ 100$) i've got ..i dont know.. hundreds of presets, and thousands of combinations, and i cant found a usable sound.

i dont think that ux2 is the holy grail, but: it has got mic preamp, i dont need yrs to learn to use, and its 200$ - BUT: I dont know anything about it, maybe its a piece of ... and thats why i ask somebody to show surf stuff because everyone make metal, or modern funky songs here (and on the internet too)

what free apmsim. you talkin about? im curious.

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

Last edited: Apr 22, 2012 09:02:36

and the latency is an important question too

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

Let's not flood this thread with this single interface discussion, I believe people have seen it and if someone wants to report on the ux2 he will do so.

IMHO $200 for an outdated unit is a robbery.

You'll never be able to judge a sound card by listening to people's examples, it won't tell you anything. What important for you is usability (ins and outs, metering), stability (drivers, reputable company) and low latency (USB 2.0 [PCI is better]+good drivers+optimized OS).

IMHO if you need to start recording something, the anything with a preamp can get you started. In terms of sound quality - they're all the same at these prices, minute differences.

AGAIN: If latency is important for you (and it should!) then get a native USB 2.0 interface, a modern one at the least. There are many options, all in the $150-200 range give you more or less the same.
It's all beginner home recording stuff. It gives you sound, not the best, but you can do a whole lot with it, with patience, and learn to use it properly, hone your perception, get to know the limitations.

Consult the chart above. I personally like the Komplete 6, the latest batch of M-audio are good too, I heard.

I you own Amplitube (v3 or Amp.Fender I hope) then you already got the best software out there. Forget the presets - use your ears. Build your sound from the ground up. Choose an amp (one of the Fenders is a good starting point), watch the gain input so it's loud enough but doesn't clip, throw a '63 reverb in front, and play from there.

Remember, amp sims can only get you so far, amateur level equipment like we use is exactly what it is- amateur. That's the same disease all over the place - millions of options and not one very good sound. Deal with it, learn the ins and outs and make the most of it.

To summarize - It's hard to make cheap interface with amp sims to work satisfactory, but after a lot of trial, tweaking and using your ears, it can get usable. Skip USB 1.1 interfaces, the have high latency and are old. New ones are better, but you still have to struggle anyway.

Also, good monitors or at least good headphones are mandatory. You'll never get good results if you can't hear what you're doing.

Last edited: Apr 22, 2012 09:43:15

Some free amp sims can be found here:
(those need to couple with cab sims for full effect.)

http://www.simulanalog.org/
http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/
http://www.ndzeit.org/guitar/tubebaby.html
http://www.acmebargig.com/
http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/
http://www.auraplug.com/site/?q=downloads/freetortion-series

Also, Amplitube has a free starter's version, which is best of it's kind.

Again, I really recommend the NI Komplete 6 - for $230 you get a versatile, good quality 4 in 4 out, modern interface.

There are some really nice home studios out there guys, well done.
I keep it simple, small mixer, Edirol interface into laptop running Cubase: I really like my Edirol MA-10 micro monitors (can even plug guitar & pedalboard straight into to mixer and sounds great at low levels)
Use a Zoom H4n for live recordings (up to 4 channels)

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