Pirato Ketchup : your opinion on our work

clepak

Joined: Jun 11, 2006
Posts: 551
Liege (Belgium)
Belgium

Posted on Dec 27 2011 03:12 PM

Hello !
I posted some of our new material for the recording to come and I would like to have your opinion. You can listen on soundcloud (rehearsal quality)
Thanks for paying attention !

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RandySG88

Joined: Sep 25, 2011
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Freehold, NJ
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Posted on Dec 27 2011 04:21 PM

Hi, I just listened to the 4 tunes. All were very enjoyable and easy to "get into" on first listen. I would certainly buy the album when it is available.
Good Luck with it. Randy

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SanchoPansen

Joined: Jan 04, 2011
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Posted on Dec 28 2011 11:20 PM

<-Like!

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WhorehayRFB

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Posted on Dec 29 2011 03:56 PM

I dig "Go Get Some Sun" the best.

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Fady

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North Carolina
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Posted on Dec 30 2011 07:22 AM

Sounding pretty good. I'm w/ Mr. Hay on favorite, although Querida Del Diablo would be my real close 2nd.

One observation/suggestion, see if there are opportunities to tighten & shorten. There are certainly great instro/surf songs that extend well beyond the 3 minute mark, but an overwhelming majority are easily under 3 minutes. Many really fantastic tracks come in at 2 min or less. I don't think that is a coincidence.

The trick will be finding sections to shorten, not repeat or remove all together that don't end up making the composition too one dimensional.

Just one persons opinion. Thanks for the preview!

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WhorehayRFB

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Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted on Dec 30 2011 10:58 AM

Wow, constructive criticism!

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Las_Barracudas

Joined: Apr 24, 2011
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Surf City, NC
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Posted on Dec 30 2011 11:17 AM

Most of the tracks seem to be arranged well and well written, however the execution was a bit lacking even for rehearsal.

The drummer seems to be your weak link imho. The guitarist sounds like he's driving the wagon, but it really should be the other way around (drummer).

Lots of potential though.

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mom_surfing

Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Dec 30 2011 02:28 PM

i agree with whorehay.
and.......
the intro had me expecting you to break into 'house of the rising son'......i know not why

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narciso

Joined: Mar 29, 2010
Posts: 324
Spain
Spain

Posted on Dec 30 2011 05:00 PM

I have enjoyed Querida del Diablo and Los 3 Tikis.

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PolloGuitar

Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 5108
San Francisco
United States

Posted on Dec 30 2011 06:38 PM

I think you guys need to work on your melodies. The riffs get repetitive, and sound (a bit) like backing tracks. That said, I think you have great mood, and structures that lend themselves to creative melodies. The songs, to me, sound incomplete.

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clepak

Joined: Jun 11, 2006
Posts: 551
Liege (Belgium)
Belgium

Posted on Jan 01 2012 11:26 PM

Thanks a lot for your constructive opinion. Yes, we still have a lot of work ! We just hired a new drummer (the previous one left the band) so we'll see what he can bring. Also, we all agree that we need to shorten some tracks.
Ferenc, do you have a particular track in ind or is it for all the 4 tracks ?
If other people wants to add their input, I'll be happy to read them !

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PolloGuitar

Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 5108
San Francisco
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Posted on Jan 03 2012 11:14 PM

Hi Julien,
I listened to the tracks a few more times. First, I want to say that there are plenty of surf and instrumental fans who will dig these tracks the way they are. There is a whole sub-section of the genre that prefers it raw and riff heavy, influenced more by Link Wray than, say, Paul Johnson. Personally, I prefer more melodic movement. If you are going for the raw side, I'd say you found it. If you want to be more melodic, I think the cool chord structures and arrangements you have give you room to explore the possibilities.
I'm looking forward to hearing your final recordings. It's pretty gutsy to make your band practice recordings available, much less ask for critique. I salute you.
Ferenc

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Frankie and the Pool Boys website
Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp
Pollo Del Mar website
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Pollo Del Mar on Facebook
DJ Frankie Pool Boy on North Sea Surf Radio

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clepak

Joined: Jun 11, 2006
Posts: 551
Liege (Belgium)
Belgium

Posted on Jan 04 2012 02:39 AM

Thanks for the kinds words Ferenc ! In fact, we're more looking into the raw and heavier side of surf music but we are evoluting. As a "young band", we are always getting better, technically and in writing music. For most of us, it's the first serious band (one of our lead guitar players - cf. Querida del Diablo - actually began to play guitar to get in the band). Main goal of the band is to have fun, but we'd like to have fun AND do it the right way.
As for critiscism, I think it's the best way to learn. And I learned reading all the posts people made. Of course, the recordings don't put us in the best light but if you heard our EP, it's not a lot better.
I'll keep you posted with our further works.

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Monkey Ju

Pirato Ketchup
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clepak Joined: Jun 11, 2006 Posts: 551 Liege (Belgium)	Posted on Dec 27 2011 03:12 PM Hello ! I posted some of our new material for the recording to come and I would like to have your opinion. You can listen on soundcloud (rehearsal quality) Thanks for paying attention ! — Monkey Ju Pirato Ketchup Facebook Bandcamp Last edited: Dec 27, 2011 15:17:07 Top
RandySG88 Joined: Sep 25, 2011 Posts: 11 Freehold, NJ	Posted on Dec 27 2011 04:21 PM Hi, I just listened to the 4 tunes. All were very enjoyable and easy to "get into" on first listen. I would certainly buy the album when it is available. Good Luck with it. Randy Top
SanchoPansen Joined: Jan 04, 2011 Posts: 1588 Berlin L-Berg	Posted on Dec 28 2011 11:20 PM <-Like! — The Hicadoolas Top
WhorehayRFB Joined: Jun 12, 2008 Posts: 3331 Huntington Beach, CA	Posted on Dec 29 2011 03:56 PM I dig "Go Get Some Sun" the best. — Radio Free Bakersfield--60 Minutes of TWANG, CRUNCH, OOMPH. http://radiofreebakersfield.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Radio-Free-Bakersfield/172410279636 http://www.sandiegojoe.com/rfb.htm Top
Fady Joined: Mar 07, 2010 Posts: 2273 North Carolina	Posted on Dec 30 2011 07:22 AM Sounding pretty good. I'm w/ Mr. Hay on favorite, although Querida Del Diablo would be my real close 2nd. One observation/suggestion, see if there are opportunities to tighten & shorten. There are certainly great instro/surf songs that extend well beyond the 3 minute mark, but an overwhelming majority are easily under 3 minutes. Many really fantastic tracks come in at 2 min or less. I don't think that is a coincidence. The trick will be finding sections to shorten, not repeat or remove all together that don't end up making the composition too one dimensional. Just one persons opinion. Thanks for the preview! — Fady El Mirage @ ReverbNation Top
WhorehayRFB Joined: Jun 12, 2008 Posts: 3331 Huntington Beach, CA	Posted on Dec 30 2011 10:58 AM Wow, constructive criticism! — Radio Free Bakersfield--60 Minutes of TWANG, CRUNCH, OOMPH. http://radiofreebakersfield.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Radio-Free-Bakersfield/172410279636 http://www.sandiegojoe.com/rfb.htm Top
Las_Barracudas Joined: Apr 24, 2011 Posts: 1087 Surf City, NC	Posted on Dec 30 2011 11:17 AM Most of the tracks seem to be arranged well and well written, however the execution was a bit lacking even for rehearsal. The drummer seems to be your weak link imho. The guitarist sounds like he's driving the wagon, but it really should be the other way around (drummer). Lots of potential though. — METEOR IV on reverbnation Top
mom_surfing Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 5321 the outer banks of north carolina	Posted on Dec 30 2011 02:28 PM i agree with whorehay. and....... the intro had me expecting you to break into 'house of the rising son'......i know not why — www.surfintheeye.com Top
narciso Joined: Mar 29, 2010 Posts: 324 Spain	Posted on Dec 30 2011 05:00 PM I have enjoyed Querida del Diablo and Los 3 Tikis. — https://lospipelines.es/ Find us on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, and all other music platforms. https://www.youtube.com/@LosPipelines https://www.instagram.com/los_pipelines/?next=%2F Los Pipelines - Facebook Top
PolloGuitar Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5108 San Francisco	Posted on Dec 30 2011 06:38 PM I think you guys need to work on your melodies. The riffs get repetitive, and sound (a bit) like backing tracks. That said, I think you have great mood, and structures that lend themselves to creative melodies. The songs, to me, sound incomplete. — Buy Endless Drummer @ Bandcamp Frankie and the Pool Boys website Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp Pollo Del Mar website My Blog- Euro Tour Blog Pool Boys on Spotify INSTAGRAM Frankie & The Pool Boys on Facebook Pollo Del Mar on Facebook DJ Frankie Pool Boy on North Sea Surf Radio Top
clepak Joined: Jun 11, 2006 Posts: 551 Liege (Belgium)	Posted on Jan 01 2012 11:26 PM Thanks a lot for your constructive opinion. Yes, we still have a lot of work ! We just hired a new drummer (the previous one left the band) so we'll see what he can bring. Also, we all agree that we need to shorten some tracks. Ferenc, do you have a particular track in ind or is it for all the 4 tracks ? If other people wants to add their input, I'll be happy to read them ! — Monkey Ju Pirato Ketchup Facebook Bandcamp Top
PolloGuitar Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5108 San Francisco	Posted on Jan 03 2012 11:14 PM Hi Julien, I listened to the tracks a few more times. First, I want to say that there are plenty of surf and instrumental fans who will dig these tracks the way they are. There is a whole sub-section of the genre that prefers it raw and riff heavy, influenced more by Link Wray than, say, Paul Johnson. Personally, I prefer more melodic movement. If you are going for the raw side, I'd say you found it. If you want to be more melodic, I think the cool chord structures and arrangements you have give you room to explore the possibilities. I'm looking forward to hearing your final recordings. It's pretty gutsy to make your band practice recordings available, much less ask for critique. I salute you. Ferenc — Buy Endless Drummer @ Bandcamp Frankie and the Pool Boys website Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp Pollo Del Mar website My Blog- Euro Tour Blog Pool Boys on Spotify INSTAGRAM Frankie & The Pool Boys on Facebook Pollo Del Mar on Facebook DJ Frankie Pool Boy on North Sea Surf Radio Top
clepak Joined: Jun 11, 2006 Posts: 551 Liege (Belgium)	Posted on Jan 04 2012 02:39 AM Thanks for the kinds words Ferenc ! In fact, we're more looking into the raw and heavier side of surf music but we are evoluting. As a "young band", we are always getting better, technically and in writing music. For most of us, it's the first serious band (one of our lead guitar players - cf. Querida del Diablo - actually began to play guitar to get in the band). Main goal of the band is to have fun, but we'd like to have fun AND do it the right way. As for critiscism, I think it's the best way to learn. And I learned reading all the posts people made. Of course, the recordings don't put us in the best light but if you heard our EP, it's not a lot better. I'll keep you posted with our further works. — Monkey Ju Pirato Ketchup Facebook Bandcamp Top

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