Need help trying to figure out how to get a certain sound.

Brian

Joined: Feb 25, 2006
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Dec 16 2011 03:51 PM

headsupkid01 wrote:

will a suspended tank give me more drip then the bag at
the bottom of the amp?

What are you talking about? The actual pan in the reverb unit or suspending the entire reverb unit? Or maybe you are asking to replace the bag with a suspended pan?

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headsupkid01

Joined: Dec 15, 2011
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St Louis

Posted on Dec 16 2011 05:03 PM

Ok, I need to explain myself a little further. I've been playing guitar for 17yr now, I played a lot of jam/funk/blues rock and a lot of heavy stuff so my knowledge of equipment is more directed to soild state amps and processors. I always loved surf and played it at my house but it was hard getting people to commit to a "surf band" I finally got this to happen a year ago and recently got the band out playing show. during this time I decided to sell some stuff and get a real surf amp. I got a 1972 all original Twin for $600 and changed all the caps my self. So my knowledge of surf guitar terminology isn't very good. I think what I'm trying to ask is would it be better to replace the bag with a suspended pan?

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kenposurf

Joined: Feb 23, 2007
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Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted on Dec 16 2011 05:21 PM

There are many different (believe it or not) surf styles..most all represented by different players on this forum. You have a nice amp..what you need is an outboard (as is my bias I suggest a Gomez G-Reverb) reverb unit. The outboard unit will serve you well for all types of surf music. Add to that (if you desire) pedals like a clean boost/delay etc and you will begin to find your voice...imo though, the outboard verb is where it all begins.
On our last cd, I used two G-Reverbs during recording.. on most of the tunes I had one set with the dwell way up for a big reverb wash and the other very light fill and signal boost..these were fed into two different amps.

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Brian

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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Dec 16 2011 05:55 PM

Yeah, changing your on-board reverb pan isn't going to get you what you want. You want an outboard unit if you are serious about playing surf music.

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djangodeadman

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Posted on Dec 17 2011 07:14 AM

Brian wrote:

Yeah, changing your on-board reverb pan isn't going to
get you what you want. You want an outboard unit if you
are serious about playing surf music.

And as soon as you get one (even the Reissue units, which, to my mind, get a lot of unfair criticism here; at least mine, from the mid 1990s, is pretty good), plug your guitar into it and the unit into your amp you will say, "Ah, THAT'S how you get that sound. Now I understand."

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Noel

Joined: Mar 15, 2011
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Dec 17 2011 09:43 AM

And don't forget to kick (or bump) it for the crash and palm-mute for the drip.

djangodeadman wrote:

And as soon as you get one ...
plug your guitar into it and the unit into your amp you
will say, "Ah, THAT'S how you get that sound. Now I
understand."

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Ariel

Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
Israel

Posted on Dec 17 2011 10:35 AM

Noel wrote:

... I wrote all this because I've spent so
much trying not to buy a reverb tank that if I hadn't
bought those pedals, I'd have my Texotica by now.

Funny how so many of us walk the same path...

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Stormtiger

Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2687
Ventura, CA
United States

Posted on Dec 17 2011 01:28 PM

I treat my tank with respect and would never kick it, there are fragile elements in there that probably don't like it at all. I wouldn't kick anything that I paid that kind of money for.

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kenposurf

Joined: Feb 23, 2007
Posts: 1650
Santa Rosa, CA
United States

Posted on Dec 17 2011 01:44 PM

Stormtiger wrote:

I treat my tank with respect and would never kick it,
there are fragile elements in there that probably don't
like it at all. I wouldn't kick anything that I paid
that kind of money for.

Not so much a kick..well at least not a mean one..just a little one to the side..or put your foot on top and rock it on to it's edge and let it drop back..at a gig last week I had mine up on a table so crashed it good by hand for the start of Wipeout (we get asked to play that so often "by name" that one and then.."hey play that Pulp Fiction song"...and Freebird
I would never drop mine from head high or anything but it can take some knocks..The G-Reverb has the tank mounted to th cab so can take extra abuse..and yes you still get as much drip

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BJB

Joined: Jul 28, 2008
Posts: 413
United States

Posted on Dec 18 2011 03:26 PM

I kick mine. It's a reissue that I rewired with a turret board, so if it breaks I can fix it. I can hear the springs jangling around when I drive with it in my car, so I don't know if a kick causes any more shock than a drive in the car.

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headsupkid01

Joined: Dec 15, 2011
Posts: 29
St Louis

Posted on Dec 18 2011 06:57 PM

Yeah, screw any type of mod or pedal that might give me or come close to getting me the right sound. I've experienced that with just about everything I've ever done with music. You always wind up buying the right thing after you spent half the amount trying to not buy it.

Thanks guys

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Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19342 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Dec 16 2011 03:51 PM headsupkid01 wrote: will a suspended tank give me more drip then the bag at the bottom of the amp? What are you talking about? The actual pan in the reverb unit or suspending the entire reverb unit? Or maybe you are asking to replace the bag with a suspended pan? — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
headsupkid01 Joined: Dec 15, 2011 Posts: 29 St Louis	Posted on Dec 16 2011 05:03 PM Ok, I need to explain myself a little further. I've been playing guitar for 17yr now, I played a lot of jam/funk/blues rock and a lot of heavy stuff so my knowledge of equipment is more directed to soild state amps and processors. I always loved surf and played it at my house but it was hard getting people to commit to a "surf band" I finally got this to happen a year ago and recently got the band out playing show. during this time I decided to sell some stuff and get a real surf amp. I got a 1972 all original Twin for $600 and changed all the caps my self. So my knowledge of surf guitar terminology isn't very good. I think what I'm trying to ask is would it be better to replace the bag with a suspended pan? — 72' Sliverface Fender RI tank American start Top
kenposurf Joined: Feb 23, 2007 Posts: 1650 Santa Rosa, CA	Posted on Dec 16 2011 05:21 PM There are many different (believe it or not) surf styles..most all represented by different players on this forum. You have a nice amp..what you need is an outboard (as is my bias I suggest a Gomez G-Reverb) reverb unit. The outboard unit will serve you well for all types of surf music. Add to that (if you desire) pedals like a clean boost/delay etc and you will begin to find your voice...imo though, the outboard verb is where it all begins. On our last cd, I used two G-Reverbs during recording.. on most of the tunes I had one set with the dwell way up for a big reverb wash and the other very light fill and signal boost..these were fed into two different amps. — www.northofmalibu.com Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19342 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Dec 16 2011 05:55 PM Yeah, changing your on-board reverb pan isn't going to get you what you want. You want an outboard unit if you are serious about playing surf music. — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
djangodeadman Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Posts: 1568 Brighton UK	Posted on Dec 17 2011 07:14 AM Brian wrote: Yeah, changing your on-board reverb pan isn't going to get you what you want. You want an outboard unit if you are serious about playing surf music. And as soon as you get one (even the Reissue units, which, to my mind, get a lot of unfair criticism here; at least mine, from the mid 1990s, is pretty good), plug your guitar into it and the unit into your amp you will say, "Ah, THAT'S how you get that sound. Now I understand." — Los Fantasticos Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Dec 17 2011 09:43 AM And don't forget to kick (or bump) it for the crash and palm-mute for the drip. djangodeadman wrote: And as soon as you get one ... plug your guitar into it and the unit into your amp you will say, "Ah, THAT'S how you get that sound. Now I understand." — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Dec 17, 2011 10:39:34 Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Dec 17 2011 10:35 AM Noel wrote: ... I wrote all this because I've spent so much trying not to buy a reverb tank that if I hadn't bought those pedals, I'd have my Texotica by now. Funny how so many of us walk the same path... Top
Stormtiger Joined: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 2687 Ventura, CA	Posted on Dec 17 2011 01:28 PM I treat my tank with respect and would never kick it, there are fragile elements in there that probably don't like it at all. I wouldn't kick anything that I paid that kind of money for. Top
kenposurf Joined: Feb 23, 2007 Posts: 1650 Santa Rosa, CA	Posted on Dec 17 2011 01:44 PM Stormtiger wrote: I treat my tank with respect and would never kick it, there are fragile elements in there that probably don't like it at all. I wouldn't kick anything that I paid that kind of money for. Not so much a kick..well at least not a mean one..just a little one to the side..or put your foot on top and rock it on to it's edge and let it drop back..at a gig last week I had mine up on a table so crashed it good by hand for the start of Wipeout (we get asked to play that so often "by name" that one and then.."hey play that Pulp Fiction song"...and Freebird I would never drop mine from head high or anything but it can take some knocks..The G-Reverb has the tank mounted to th cab so can take extra abuse..and yes you still get as much drip — www.northofmalibu.com Top
BJB Joined: Jul 28, 2008 Posts: 413	Posted on Dec 18 2011 03:26 PM I kick mine. It's a reissue that I rewired with a turret board, so if it breaks I can fix it. I can hear the springs jangling around when I drive with it in my car, so I don't know if a kick causes any more shock than a drive in the car. — If it ain't broke, fix it until it is. Top
headsupkid01 Joined: Dec 15, 2011 Posts: 29 St Louis	Posted on Dec 18 2011 06:57 PM Yeah, screw any type of mod or pedal that might give me or come close to getting me the right sound. I've experienced that with just about everything I've ever done with music. You always wind up buying the right thing after you spent half the amount trying to not buy it. Thanks guys — 72' Sliverface Fender RI tank American start Top

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