After watching and reading the piece on the Shadows guitarst Bruce Welch. I find myself wondering how many other songs could benifit form a dry sound?
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Rhythm guitar, wet or dry?
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Joined: Feb 14, 2010 Posts: 802 N.E. Ohio 
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Posted on Nov 23 2011 10:33 AM
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Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 1683 Georgia
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Posted on Nov 23 2011 10:48 AM
For Shadows stuff I always went way down on the reverb. I almost played dry. Our lead guitar player would usually ask me to goose the reverb back up to perceptible levels, but I think that on songs where you do a lot of open strumming the reverb tends to get washed out and muddy sounding. It's hard to make it sound good, at least for me. On some songs, especially the more frenetic ones, it can work quite well. But to your original point, I think that some songs are better served by a dry or almost dry rhythm guitar. For palm-muted and plinky stuff, pour it on. There's no such thing as too much. —The Mystery Men? |
Joined: Feb 09, 2010 Posts: 413 Goleta, CA
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Posted on Nov 24 2011 12:42 AM
There was a thread on this a few weeks back that provided some very good insight. http://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/16722/ Richard was on point. Songs that call for open chording or strumming want the rhythm guitar to be very present and the more 'verb you have the more it gets pushed back in the mix. And by "present" I don't necessarily mean loud. I won't start in about Bruce Welch or I'll miss Thanksgiving Dinner! Freakin' amazing! For what I consider a virtuoso performance of surf rhythm guitar on a mid tempo ballad, check this out. Sounds like he's playing pretty dry to me. Cheers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90lxtB6YTXY —You're not drunk if you can put your socks on while standing. Last edited: Nov 24, 2011 01:11:07 |
Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Nov 24 2011 06:08 AM
Is it just me, or do some rhythm parts sound better with delay or echo, depending on tempo? I'm especially thinking of palm-muted sections. —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Nov 24, 2011 07:28:09 |
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Posted on Nov 24 2011 09:24 AM
I like the rhythm palm muted with even more reverb than the lead. —http://www.reverbnation.com/thedeadranchhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk Last edited: Nov 24, 2011 14:20:40 |
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Posted on Nov 24 2011 10:12 AM
It depends on the song. But I find that a dry or almost dry rhythm guitar adds more clarity and power to a song. —https://lospipelines.es/ |
Joined: Apr 24, 2011 Posts: 1087 Surf City, NC
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Posted on Nov 24 2011 10:43 AM
Depends on the song, but in our band (2 guitars) one of us generally dials down the reverb for dynamics. Seldom do either of us play completely dry though. — |
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Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Nov 24 2011 11:23 AM
I just played Pipeline both ways. First with all the reverb I have; FRV-1 into FDR-1 for heavy splashy crash and lots of drip when palm-muting. And second Ventures style without any reverb at all, but analog delay timed to exactly double the tempo, which actually sounds like splashy drip but isn't. I actually think an echo pedal like the BOSS Space Echo would be better. They both sound great but completely different. It took me a while to figure out how to simulate reverb drip with a delay pedal the Ventures way, but it works. I just wish I could do it as well as Don Wilson does it. No, they don't sound the same, but they each have their place. —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Nov 24, 2011 18:16:03 |
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Joined: Feb 14, 2010 Posts: 802 N.E. Ohio
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Posted on Dec 02 2011 09:48 AM
Gave playing some songs almost dry at rehersal last night (rhythm guitar). Apache, Peace Pipe, and The Savage seem to benifit form the dry sound. FBI I am not sure. The rule of thumb that says if you mute the strings make it wet seems to work for our little group. I have to listen to the playback of the recording I did (mono digital dictating machine in the center of the room) for a better idea of what worked and what didn't. — |
Joined: Jan 04, 2012 Posts: 32 Los Angeles CA
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 01:39 AM
For what it's worth, I will just point out that in the early days, the rhythm part was usually dry, in contrast to a wet lead. There were exceptions... most notably the Astronuts; all their guitars sound soaking wet... also, the bottom part on "Pipeline" needs to be wet to get that original quality... nevertheless, I don't recall any of the south bay bands using reverb on the rhythm, and I don't think the Deltones used it either — (Dick had plenty, of course, but that solid chordal backing they had worked best with dry rhythm guitars...) —PJ - Paul Johnson |
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 01:44 AM
IMO... there's really no concrete rule. Depends on what the song calls for. right ? |
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 01:51 AM
Right! —PJ - Paul Johnson |
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 06:29 AM
Hi Noel! When you use FRV-1 together with FDR-1 for "heavy splashy crash", how are they lined-up and what settings do you use? Regarding rhythm guitar I prefer the european style of instro music, a quite clean sound and all echo (reverb) on the lead. |
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 09:16 AM
I really like a palm muted drip in the background as rhythm. It gives the song a sense of 3-d space. — |
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 02:59 PM
Louie7 wrote:
Agreed, we vary the mix of reverb between the lead and rhythm on a per song need to know basis. Surfcat MARCH OF THE DEAD SURFERS! (2024) - Agent Octopus Last edited: Mar 16, 2012 15:43:48 |
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 05:58 PM
I'm a surfer. sailor, & swimmer, I like to be wet and sound wet |
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Posted on Mar 16 2012 06:42 PM
To answer the question: Rhythm guitar, wet or dry? YES! |
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