'"15 inch weber alnico is a supremely clean speaker. I preffer it to Jenson's speakers.

Dario I was wondering, if it would be possible (not saying you are building it for me ) To get a custom cabinet and pack it with 2 weber 15" speakers instead of the two 12"? On Weber's site they will send you a custom cabinet, but they have every shape and size besides one for 2, 15's. I was wondering if that was for a reason?

It's too heavy I suspect and too dicey with a shipping company. If you really want one. I can have one built for you with tone rings but the shipping cost would be over $100. I have a 2x15 cab and they aren't light-even with AlNiCo's.

One thing for sure, the vibrato circuit on the brown faces (59-63) were better than the black faces.

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DannySnyder
One thing for sure, the vibrato circuit on the brown faces (59-63) were better than the black faces.

God yes. So much better.

I don't think tone rings are better. Isn't it the double baffle that makes it better? And tone rings were used to make the double baffle right? Is ported a better term for double baffle?

JakeDobner

DannySnyder
One thing for sure, the vibrato circuit on the brown faces (59-63) were better than the black faces.

God yes. So much better.

I don't think tone rings are better. Isn't it the double baffle that makes it better? And tone rings were used to make the double baffle right? Is ported a better term for double baffle?

Tonering is a metal ring that attaches the speaker to a double-layered baffle, so it's what you are describing. I've seen it on '62 Bandmaster 15" cabs and were supposed to be the Mercedez Benz of cabinets, but I'm not sure HOW or what the benefits are of a Tonering baffle vs. a plain flat single-layered one. Ported baffles (with a big slot along the bottom) are usually for Bass amps, no?
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The tone-ring is a complicated tuned bass reflex design. By increasing the bass response of the speaker enclosure, you reduce the requirement on the amplifier to amplify bass and the speaker to reproduce it. You can tune up the treble and volume on the amp, have the overall sound louder, and the speaker survives!

Fender used tone-rings in single 10" cabinets for the Tremolux and single 12" cabinets for the Bandmaster and Bassman briefly early in the brownface run (1961 only, I think). The Showman was available with a single 12" tone-ring or a single 15" tone-ring from 1961-1968. Single 12" tone-ring Showman Amps are uncommon, but the Astronauts used them, among others.

bigtikidude
If the Astronauts used them, then that settles it right there,
they had "THEE SOUND" .
Not putting down sealed Cabnits. They sound great.
But the Tone Rings just seem to sing a bit more. More Bass, more trebble, just a richer fuller sound.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Jeff I'm going to have to disagre with ya The Astronauts from (Boulder Colorado) made it to the surf scene in 1963 and they haven't even seen the beach until that year of 63' when they recorded "Baja" in LA which later became one of the few surf instrumentals to reach the national charts but anyways my point is that The Astronauts played 3 I say 3 62' Blonde Fender Bandmaster's and 1 62' Blonde Fender Bassman and here's the kicker they all used 2x12 speaker cabs without tonerings, Tonerings are only made for a single speaker application like a 10" 12" or a 15"

So everything surf they did from 63' to late 65' was put out by 2x12 speaker cabs with out tonerings and (sealed - closedback) all 60s to present Fender Speaker cabs 2x10 2x12 2x15 single 10,12,15 are all closedback sealed cabs, and they still surf killer

The only Fender's that are open back are the combo amps like Twin Reverb, Super reverb, Vibroverb, Twin etc......

The Astronauts use of blackface Dual Showman's and 1 blackface Bassman was until late December of 65' intro 66' and those cabs were 2x15's and no tonerings and the blackface Bassman a 2x12 cab and no tonerings, even though thier early records had instro/vocal surf not until 66' that they really got The Beatle influence going with 95% vocal and 5% instro, they only cut at the most from 66' to 67' 2 instro's and the rest vocal, but no vocal hotrod songs like there early records but more love mushy stuff, 67' was the last year of Astronauts due to one the band members "drummer"drafted into the army, they got a replacement and changed thier name to The Sunshineward. They recorded one album for Capitol records and flopped, that ends the story of The Astronauts in 1967.

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JakeDobner
Kyle is awesome. Kyle, can you give a rundown of the gear the Wonders used next? I couldn't quite make out what amps they had on stage. Were all the blonde/gold amps Bandmasters?

The Wonder's used 2 63' Blonde Bandmasters and 1 Blonde 63' Bassman and the drum kit they used in the movie is awesome a Ludwig.

Man for the last 15 years I have delved into surf history learning and reading about the gear and records I can't get enough I'm a surfaholic

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uh ok I stand corrected I guess, but what about Mel, you gonna tell him hes wrong????

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Of course we will play it.

And I was talking about in the studio they have black tolex blackfaces as opposed to the blonde tolex blackfaces. They don't really get a chance to use those amps though.

As for the Jaguar. Do you think it is a CIJ? The logo almost looks black to me. I watched it in High Definition today on a 52" TV.