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BillyBlastOff
When your on stage, just look at the audience and pretend they're all naked. Works every time.

Ohhhh, that's what I'm doing wrong... I've been pretending that my bandmates are naked. Razz Shocked Rimshot

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BillyBlastOff
When your on stage, just look at the audience and pretend they're all naked. Works every time.

Ohhhh, that's what I'm doing wrong... I've been pretending that my bandmates are naked. Razz Shocked Rimshot

That's not a bad thing Jeff............well............as long as your band mates look like the Hawaiian Tropic Girls............ Cool

Be careful following the masses. Sometimes the "M" is silent...........................

I think it's normal to be a little nervous for most any performer. If you're not at least a little worried you probably don't care which isn't a good thing.

I've never suffered from "extreme stage fright" though, performing is kind of second natuire at this point for me.

Right or wrong, I like a shot of tequila or two to settle the nerves and get me wound up sometimes ;-]

topsail
Right or wrong, I like a shot of tequila or two to settle the nerves and get me wound up sometimes ;-]

Mmmmm... I used to have them after the gig. I will do it before (and maybe another one as a little reinforcement during the show) Cheers

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Right or wrong, I like a shot of tequila or two to settle the nerves and get me wound up sometimes ;-]

Mmmmm... I used to have them after the gig. I will do it before (and maybe another one as a little reinforcement during the show) Cheers

3 or 4 shots of tequila for each audience member does wonders for my stage fright

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SpaceFargo
I beat stage fright by playing bass. Nobody ever cares about you so nobody notices if you screw up :).

TRUE DAT !

if you're "in the moment" you're bound to feel a little anxious and nervous...but once the machine gets warmed up and rolling...it's almost like you aren't even there anymore...surreal...

now that's fun for me, serving the music completely...

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iz like gettin on dat board and catchin dat wave!!!!!!!

+1 I agree, really no time to think...or,rather..."do, no think"...

SpaceFargo
I beat stage fright by playing bass. Nobody ever cares about you so nobody notices if you screw up :).

+1 yes, there is some truth to this statement...unfortunately, the sour looks from your bandmates will definitely be a big clue that you're f-ing up the show!

As to forgetting the intro to songs, I have this problem but only with first wave Surf Songs! Too many similar songs. But if somebody else plays the first 3 or 4 notes, I'm good to go!

Right after the Convention, I mentioned that I had experienced stage fright playing "Tailspin" in the Jam, and almost asked for a do-over on the intro. I've played for some pretty large crowds of paying customers without blinking an eye., but that's one time I was shaking like a leaf.

badash
As to forgetting the intro to songs, I have this problem but only with first wave Surf Songs! Too many similar songs. But if somebody else plays the first 3 or 4 notes, I'm good to go!

Sounds like my bass player...not cool. Learn the $#@! bass intros! Laughing

I'm not in a band, but when I sit in with a band or play a song at the SG101 convention I am not nervous at all.
but when its time for me to get up to the Mic and say something,
that's a whole different story.
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finally got the band back on stage after 21 years.A bit rough around the edges but with only 2 rehearsals with the bass player and five with the drummer(who hasn't played for years and comes from heavy metal land) we fronted the gig.Shame the camera ran out of memory, the good numbers we left till last.There's work to do on stage presence but the crowd appreciated the music and even got up and danced.Easy to see I was hit by sf.....but less than expected.Cheers all

I've been playing in bands in one capacity or another for 25 years, and when I was even younger I had to play violin and horn solos at school and church. I've performed in front of people at least 1000 times and I still get butterflies, especially when I play in front of family, good friends or work associates for some reason. I figure if you don't feel something before you get on stage then you are not alive.

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the only way to get through the stage fright is to get up there and just keep breathing... like jp said, the stage-fright just lets you know you're still alive...

I play in a non-surf band called Minitürbo and we just had a gig yesterday. I think it's been the largest crowd we've ever played for. People were paying to see us and it was in one of the fanciest neighborhoods of the city, on top of that the guy who has been getting us gigs and events was there with his business partner so there were plenty of reasons for being nervous. The catering that night consisted of a bottle of Bacardí, Smirnoff or a Tequila of our choice. I personally prefer Tequila but everyone went with Bacardí (which I despise) so I didn't have anything to drink before the show except for a glass of watered down Coke which you can see on top of the amp behind me in the picture. I do the opening riff on our first song so I hoped I'd nail it right so the people could be hooked and we could get their attention. That went fine but then the PA went a little nuts and everything started sounding real crappy from our side. Our sound guy told us to turn the amps down a little cause something had gone wrong, we did that and then everything started going smoothly, even though our drummer messed up the beat in a song I started to relax and soon I was the one cheering for no reason. Before I knew it we were done and people were really pleased. Mission accomplished...
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Last edited: Aug 26, 2011 18:49:04

An article from today's WSJ dealing with some of these issues as faced by professional classical musicians, especially soloists. Clearly these guys are in a completely different league than most of us here, but it was still interesting, and potentially helpful.

The Wall Street Journal
MUSIC
SEPTEMBER 29, 2011

When Practice Alone Isn't Enough
By CORINNA DA FONSECA-WOLLHEIM

Noa Kageyama is in the business of bulletproofing, but his work does not involve Kevlar vests or polycarbonate. The performance psychologist runs a consultancy, ProMind Coaching, whose clients include Olympic athletes and CEOs. His mentor and business partner, Don Greene, is a former champion diver and Green Beret, whose specialties including teaching principles of sports psychology to SWAT team members. But the battlefield Mr. Kageyama is most interested in is the music world. On his blog, The Bulletproof Musician, he takes principles developed to toughen up tennis pros and uses them to help musicians cope with the intense pressure of solo performance. Last month, he joined the faculty of the Juilliard School.

Performance psychologists are invited into music departments nation-wide, as educators recognize the need to prepare musicians for the competitive, high-stakes world of classical music. In the past, performance anxiety was rarely discussed; if anything, it was seen as a Darwinian way of separating those fit for a solo career from those doomed to teach. Today, performance psychologists advertise their services as coaches, not shrinks, providing musicians the same concrete tools and drills offered athletes and CEOs.

Mr. Kageyama is himself an accomplished violinist. He remembers his mother arranging lessons for him with master teacher Shinichi Suzuki when he was still in kindergarten in his native Japan. Later, he boarded weekly flights from Columbus, Ohio, to New York to attend precollege lessons at Juilliard. He knows first-hand how hard musicians work in the practice room—and how that alone does not prepare for the stress of solo performance.

"Given the sacrifice we put in, it's intensely frustrating to get up on stage and not have what you know to be capable of come out," he says. "And it's even worse when you don't know why." His job, he says, is not so much focused on anxiety as on "taking people who are already great and helping them be great under pressure."

Andrea Levine contacted Mr. Kageyama in late 2009 after she had performed poorly in recent auditions. The Louisville Orchestra in Kentucky, where Ms. Levine is the principal clarinetist, was in financial straits, its future uncertain. "Each audition was like a do-or-die situation," she says. Over a series of Skype conferences and phone consultations with Mr. Kageyama, she developed a program of centering and confidence-building exercises. In her next set of auditions, she reached the final round each time. One led to her current one-year stint with the Colorado Symphony during a leave of absence from the Louisville Orchestra.

When Rebecca Fischer, the first violinist of the Chiara Quartet, began to study music, she often underperformed on stage. It wasn't a topic she could easily discuss, she says. "It carried the stigma of 'oh, you can't just get up there and play your best? Haven't you practiced enough?'"

In 1999 she worked with Mr. Greene, who at the time was teaching a seminar at Juilliard. She learned drills she could draw on to prepare not only mentally but physically for a recital or audition. Through visualization techniques and physical exercise—running up and down stairs, for example—she built up her ability to focus even with a pounding heart.

"Most crippling can be the thoughts," she says. "We have all these highly technical left-brain things going on inside our heads, critical comments, which seem to increase in a high-pressure situation."

Now in the University of Nebraska-Lincoln's music department, she incorporates performance preparation in her work with students. "Instead of thinking 'don't rush' or 'make sure the bow doesn't bounce,' I have them think words like 'brilliant' that capture the music they are playing. It's amazing how powerful that is."

At the University of Oklahoma, Bill Moore takes a different approach. The performance psychologist had been working with the college football team for a number of years when, in 2000, the music department invited him in. This year, he published a series of music-performance books called "Playing Your Best When it Counts." Unlike most of his colleagues, he makes a distinction between athletes and musicians. While the first encounter regular opportunities to perform in a season, he says musicians typically spend more than 90% of their time practicing. Solo recitals are rare; for some instruments, like percussion or double bass, they might only come up in the final year of school.

"Music schools are very much practice-based," Mr. Moore says. "The goal is not to play; the goal is to be correct. There's a lot of individual instruction, a lot of solo practice time during which you self-monitor, analyze and correct mistakes. Yes, that's how you get better. But if you do any of these in a performance, you're dead."

Fear, he says, is not the problem: If you want to do well, you will probably experience fear. His response is to build up the mental skills needed in a performance, like courage, trust and a focus on higher-order qualities: artistry and expression for musicians, strategy for athletes. Much of this involves the kind of mental training offered by Messrs. Kageyama and Greene. In addition, Mr. Moore coaxes teachers and musicians to incorporate performancelike play time into each practice session and lesson.

For teachers, he says, the hardest part is learning to bite their tongues when their instinct is to correct. Jane Magrath, head of the piano faculty at the University of Oklahoma, says some pianists were initially hesitant. "They were worried it would interfere with or destroy their previous structure. But Bill's approach really works."

"When people think of psychology, they often think someone's going to come in and talk about their problems," Mr. Moore says. "But it's a concrete, nuts-and-bolts, drill-based coaching of skills. Once people get that, they want it in their department."

Ms. da Fonseca-Wollheim writes about classical music for the Journal.

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The way I beat stage fright is by staying up there and doin' the next thing

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"I beat stage fright by playing bass. Nobody ever cares about you nobody notices if you screw up :)."

If this mindset is a defense mech. then all right. I can see it. If it's an excuse for not knowing your part or practicing, then it is a poor one.

Bass, Drums and the Rhythm guitar are the heart of the band (I play rhythm guitar) and the lead/solo/melody instrument needs a strong steady platform to work from.

It’s more fun when it’s in the groove, and this is supposed to be fun, no?

Who has time to be scared when you are having fun?

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