more drip?

NIB

Joined: Aug 02, 2010
Posts: 111
Vienna/Austria
Austria

Posted on Aug 07 2011 03:30 PM

hey guys. somehow i m not that much satisfied with my sound atm. i have a crate palomino v16 tube amp and the boss frv-1 pedal. but even if i turn the the pedal full up, it doesnt give me that much "drip". is there any sollution how to get a better sound with this equipement ( exept being a better guitarplayer of course xD)?

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Ariel

Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
Israel

Posted on Aug 07 2011 04:16 PM

Hi, some thoughts- First, let's go over the basic stuff:
what guitar are you playing? single coil PU's are best (and if they're cheapos- may be worth upgrading them)
Are you using quality cables? you should.
What else is there in the signal chain? Maybe try a boost or compressor before hitting the Reverb (and if you already do, try removing them ).
As a rule of thumb, the Reverb should be last, before the amp (not in the FX loop).
Don't push your amp too much, heavy saturation can mask the drip.
Try experimenting with different pics, different strings.
Other than that, I hope your unit is not faulty (hard to believe, Boss are rock solid).

As for playing style, cleaner palm muting and meaner attack help.

In my (very) limited experience, there's just a limit to what the FRV can do. What are your expectations? It's not and never will be a vintage tank.
More treble is key- Setting the tone on 12 o'clock or more gives me pretty good drip [Jazzmaster to Blues Jr.], but needs to be compensated with the amp or EQ after, so to not introduce horrorshow ear bleed.

Don't go overboard with the mix and dwell, they can drown the signal (about 12 o'clock on both works for me).

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NIB

Joined: Aug 02, 2010
Posts: 111
Vienna/Austria
Austria

Posted on Aug 08 2011 02:05 AM

i got a yamaha sgv 300 and most of the time i use the bridge pickup or the neck pickup only and picking the strings close to the bridge. i got a fender vintage calbe and one noname cable, at least both of them dont look like they are bad quality.

the frv is the only device i got in my signal chain.

it could have to do something with the strings, i m using chromes.12 but i read, that roundwounds do better on a sgv.

my expections? yeah, probably they are a bit too high for this equipment^^

amp settings i use: treble at max, mids and bass at zero.

on the pedal i mostly use 6/6/6 and 10/6/6

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Ariel

Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
Israel

Posted on Aug 08 2011 02:24 AM

Hmmm... seems your guitar is great actually. Roundwounds have more attack, you definitely should try.
Fender cables and noname cables are bad quality IMO. Maybe it won't change your sound too much but good chance it will, (you'll be surprised), you don't want to lose any signal on the way to the verb.
I don't know your amp, but your equipment overall seems to be not too shabby, try maxing the treble on the FRV and backing off on the amp.
And, try the other stuff I mentioned above. You MUST try stuff.
Maybe upload a sample of your sound somewhere, so we can further dissect it.

Last edited: Aug 08, 2011 02:30:44

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NIB

Joined: Aug 02, 2010
Posts: 111
Vienna/Austria
Austria

Posted on Aug 08 2011 04:20 AM

thx for all your help!

what cables would you suggest?

you can hear my sound on my youtubeclips. at my cover of "the wedge" i use my current gear, but i had low treble and a lot of bass there. i recorded it with the onboard mic of my laptop, so the quality is really poor.

my youtubeaccount

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Ariel

Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
Israel

Posted on Aug 08 2011 05:54 AM

OK I listened. The sound isn't too bad, seems you got the right gear, enough to work with right now. The drip is reasonable IMO. Work on the points suggested above.

Drip doesn't come by itself, it's a result of palm muting, accurate and energetic picking interacting with the Reverb.
And try stuff (strings, pics, technique), anything goes, experiment, learn to use your ears.

As for cables, there are a lot of good brands, do research. Don't go crazy but it's a good investment (seems to be the weak link in your chain). I like Evidence and Lava best (expensive), Mogami and Whirlwind are also good as well as many others.

Like you guessed before, being overall better at playing will get you closer to achieving the sound that's in your brain. Good players can make almost anything work.

I wish others would chime in with more tips.
Good luck.

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airesound

Joined: Aug 04, 2011
Posts: 100
England
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Posted on Aug 08 2011 02:14 PM

Hi, I listened to your channel and thought "squad car" sounded better. I listened to "the wedge" and I'm not sure if dialling out all the bass and mid on your amp is a good idea. I think your problem might be your palm muting maybe it needs more pressure.

yeah it would help if more folks could give it a listen as I'm no expert. Heck I'm not even sure if I know what 'drip' really is

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Noel

Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
United States

Posted on Aug 08 2011 03:28 PM

I asked essentially the same question just after I joined. This is what I was told to listen to. I guess it sounds like water dripping into a deep pool in a cavern.

airesound wrote:

Heck I'm not even sure if I know what
'drip' really is

—

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

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el_camello

Joined: Jul 04, 2010
Posts: 369
Ottawa
Canada

Posted on Aug 09 2011 07:11 AM

it's been said and i agree, drip needs a big chunky palm mute with lots of oomph.

—

-Pierre
The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf)
The Obsidians debut EP

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raito

Joined: Oct 16, 2008
Posts: 553
Madison, WI
Antarctica

Posted on Aug 09 2011 07:28 AM

Yep, a lot if it is in the technique. I also have an FRV-1, and I also tend to not play with a pick. But I've been able to get an acceptable amount of drip by using a much sharper attack than usual. Basically, I can get the drip, but I have to exaggerate everything.

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NIB Joined: Aug 02, 2010 Posts: 111 Vienna/Austria	Posted on Aug 07 2011 03:30 PM hey guys. somehow i m not that much satisfied with my sound atm. i have a crate palomino v16 tube amp and the boss frv-1 pedal. but even if i turn the the pedal full up, it doesnt give me that much "drip". is there any sollution how to get a better sound with this equipement ( exept being a better guitarplayer of course xD)? Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Aug 07 2011 04:16 PM Hi, some thoughts- First, let's go over the basic stuff: what guitar are you playing? single coil PU's are best (and if they're cheapos- may be worth upgrading them) Are you using quality cables? you should. What else is there in the signal chain? Maybe try a boost or compressor before hitting the Reverb (and if you already do, try removing them ). As a rule of thumb, the Reverb should be last, before the amp (not in the FX loop). Don't push your amp too much, heavy saturation can mask the drip. Try experimenting with different pics, different strings. Other than that, I hope your unit is not faulty (hard to believe, Boss are rock solid). As for playing style, cleaner palm muting and meaner attack help. In my (very) limited experience, there's just a limit to what the FRV can do. What are your expectations? It's not and never will be a vintage tank. More treble is key- Setting the tone on 12 o'clock or more gives me pretty good drip [Jazzmaster to Blues Jr.], but needs to be compensated with the amp or EQ after, so to not introduce horrorshow ear bleed. Don't go overboard with the mix and dwell, they can drown the signal (about 12 o'clock on both works for me). Last edited: Aug 07, 2011 16:27:16 Top
NIB Joined: Aug 02, 2010 Posts: 111 Vienna/Austria	Posted on Aug 08 2011 02:05 AM i got a yamaha sgv 300 and most of the time i use the bridge pickup or the neck pickup only and picking the strings close to the bridge. i got a fender vintage calbe and one noname cable, at least both of them dont look like they are bad quality. the frv is the only device i got in my signal chain. it could have to do something with the strings, i m using chromes.12 but i read, that roundwounds do better on a sgv. my expections? yeah, probably they are a bit too high for this equipment^^ amp settings i use: treble at max, mids and bass at zero. on the pedal i mostly use 6/6/6 and 10/6/6 Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Aug 08 2011 02:24 AM Hmmm... seems your guitar is great actually. Roundwounds have more attack, you definitely should try. Fender cables and noname cables are bad quality IMO. Maybe it won't change your sound too much but good chance it will, (you'll be surprised), you don't want to lose any signal on the way to the verb. I don't know your amp, but your equipment overall seems to be not too shabby, try maxing the treble on the FRV and backing off on the amp. And, try the other stuff I mentioned above. You MUST try stuff. Maybe upload a sample of your sound somewhere, so we can further dissect it. Last edited: Aug 08, 2011 02:30:44 Top
NIB Joined: Aug 02, 2010 Posts: 111 Vienna/Austria	Posted on Aug 08 2011 04:20 AM thx for all your help! what cables would you suggest? you can hear my sound on my youtubeclips. at my cover of "the wedge" i use my current gear, but i had low treble and a lot of bass there. i recorded it with the onboard mic of my laptop, so the quality is really poor. my youtubeaccount Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Aug 08 2011 05:54 AM OK I listened. The sound isn't too bad, seems you got the right gear, enough to work with right now. The drip is reasonable IMO. Work on the points suggested above. Drip doesn't come by itself, it's a result of palm muting, accurate and energetic picking interacting with the Reverb. And try stuff (strings, pics, technique), anything goes, experiment, learn to use your ears. As for cables, there are a lot of good brands, do research. Don't go crazy but it's a good investment (seems to be the weak link in your chain). I like Evidence and Lava best (expensive), Mogami and Whirlwind are also good as well as many others. Like you guessed before, being overall better at playing will get you closer to achieving the sound that's in your brain. Good players can make almost anything work. I wish others would chime in with more tips. Good luck. Top
airesound Joined: Aug 04, 2011 Posts: 100 England	Posted on Aug 08 2011 02:14 PM Hi, I listened to your channel and thought "squad car" sounded better. I listened to "the wedge" and I'm not sure if dialling out all the bass and mid on your amp is a good idea. I think your problem might be your palm muting maybe it needs more pressure. yeah it would help if more folks could give it a listen as I'm no expert. Heck I'm not even sure if I know what 'drip' really is Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Aug 08 2011 03:28 PM I asked essentially the same question just after I joined. This is what I was told to listen to. I guess it sounds like water dripping into a deep pool in a cavern. airesound wrote: Heck I'm not even sure if I know what 'drip' really is — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Last edited: Aug 08, 2011 15:29:51 Top
el_camello Joined: Jul 04, 2010 Posts: 369 Ottawa	Posted on Aug 09 2011 07:11 AM it's been said and i agree, drip needs a big chunky palm mute with lots of oomph. — -Pierre The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf) The Obsidians debut EP Top
raito Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Posts: 553 Madison, WI	Posted on Aug 09 2011 07:28 AM Yep, a lot if it is in the technique. I also have an FRV-1, and I also tend to not play with a pick. But I've been able to get an acceptable amount of drip by using a much sharper attack than usual. Basically, I can get the drip, but I have to exaggerate everything. Top

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