Anybody use one? Ive heard they are sweet...Im trying to get a similar 'Ventures Live in Japan 65' tone out of my Twin Reverb amp and an p90 epi SG (and /or a vm-110 in the near future).
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![]() Joined: Nov 02, 2006 Posts: 564 Virginia Beach |
Anybody use one? Ive heard they are sweet...Im trying to get a similar 'Ventures Live in Japan 65' tone out of my Twin Reverb amp and an p90 epi SG (and /or a vm-110 in the near future). |
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The Ventures were using Mosrite guitars plugged straight into Showman amps with 1-15" cabs. The overdrive you hear is most likely because the amps are cranked so loud. I don't think a pedal is going to do a very good job of emulating that sound. Instead, I'd recommend putting either 2-12" Weber Californias in the Twin or a 1-15". The alnicos will break up a little earlier than the ceramic. Or JBL's if you can find em. —Paul |
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The problem with changing the speakers is that I dont want that tone all the time, just for a few songs. Thats why I was thinking of somekind of pedal. To me the tone on Nokies amp sometimes sounds really overdriven, yet on Wilsons guitar its mostly clean. The bass also sounds distorted most of the time too. Is it the fact that the speaker is crappy? (crappy in a good way of course) That tone rules! |
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They don't break up all the time, you have to push them REAL hard, and I suspect Nokie was playing them LOUD. Most of the time they're super clean and are a great improvement to Twin Reverb stock speakers. Of course the Showman is just based on popular theory, there was a whole thread about this a little while back: According to Johonny Mosrite, they used Guyatone amps to get that gritty sound, so I could be wrong? —Paul |
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Yeah I saw that thread...Intersting about the Yamaha solid state G100 head(or whatever it was)+ Mosrite getting a comprable tone. |
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I don 't think you could get that tone with 2x12 Webers in a twin - the Webers can handle WAY too much power for that or youwould have killing volumes. but then again Im a wussy. you might want to check out a G2D creamtone .... the samples on their site are very creamy, but I found that in combo with a tank it gets that kind of gritty overdrive sound live on the venture '65 album. not the same, but closer then any OD Ive ever tried. I have a tube screamer knock-off (MI audio blues pro) and it's nowhere near that sound. imho tubescreamer wouldn't be the way to go. the g2d's are not cheap and a bit hard to come by, though I got mine of ebay, an dthere was another one at that time. if you have a couple of spare bucks, try a behringer tube opverdrive. you know, the 420or whatever cheap plastic toy pedals. thsi one happens to sound really good and with higher tone setting gets a bit like that too. for 20 bucks it's worth a try. your friends will laugh at you thouugh. trust me on that. Rules to live by #314: |
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Chris, I have a TS-9 Tube Screamer on my pedalboard, and it works great at giving a clean amp a bit of "mid-'60's Ventures"- style edge. I set the Drive at about 8:30-9:00, and the Tone at 1:00. It was used quite a bit on both the CD's I sent you. The Ventures' edginess was mostly a function of the super-hot early Mosrite pickups that will overdrive even a cranked Twin or Showman. The only studio picture I've seen of the Ventures showed Nokie playing a Mosrite sidejack through a brown Fender Concert (4-10) amp, which breaks up a lot easier and sooner than a Twin/Showman. Bogle was playing bass through a blackface 2-12 Bassman in the same shot. —Jack Booth The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005) Last edited: Jan 16, 2007 14:34:07 |
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hey woody, do you have a sample of that sound somewhere on the web? I was told the mi-audio thing was a TS knock-off but your post makes me doubt that now. Id like to listen to your sound and see if my pedal can get close. WR —Rules to live by #314: |
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WR, I sent you a PM —Jack Booth The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005) |
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Thanks for the input. Ebay is loaded with Tube screamers and void of the creamtones. |
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i posted the original thread about the ventures live sound. i dont have any way of actually knowing for sure but i tend to think that the sound heard on that recording is from a solidstate amp like the guyatone that was mentioned. Tim |
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since brian has set up a nice sounddemo upload page, I'll record a sample with different OD's. Ill see if I can do it tonight, otherwise maybe tommorow. WR —Rules to live by #314: |
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I'm a tube screamer fan, but I wouldn't have associated 'em with the Ventures sound at all - at least not stock. Then again, I haven't played through a twin for a while either! I've taken a few cues from smarter folks than me and modded mine to be much more usefull - particularly the less/more mod. At 12:00 it sounds stock, but there is more variation to the extremes of the dial (ie - it gets cleaner or crunchier than stock). I've also had good results using a Matchless HotBox pedal and substituting 12AY7 or 12AU7 tubes instead of the stock 12AX7 - but I think I'm digressing pretty far from Venture's territory. I don't go for classic surf tone with my rig, as I use a '63 Gretsch 6120 and a '66 Pro Reverb... btw, the Boss SD-1 pedal and the TS-9 are very close circuits, the big difference is that the SD-1 has an additional clipping diode for assymetrical clipping. The SD-1's usually are cheaper than the TS-9. Andy |
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I know srv used a Ibanez tube screamer I have been trying to get one for awhile... but no money -Fly on little wing- Couldn't Stand The Weather... www.myspace.com/yougottabeshittenme |
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buy a "Keeley" modified Tube Screamer. Tweeked properly you can defiently get that sound. It should not be hard at all. |
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ECSurf - there are a number of variations of Tube Screamers around. The potato bug style, which is a TS-5, is the same circuit as a TS-9 but in a cheaper plastic housing. Haven't tried a TS-7, and I'm not much of a TS-10 fan (circuit is a little different) but some people like 'em. All 3 of those models can be had on the cheap if you look hard enough. Plus there's the SD-1 I mentioned too. Cheers! |
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there are also many diy/boutique builders doin TS knock offs. WR —Rules to live by #314: |
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I've got one: it's great! Bob —Bob |