I am wondering if anyone has any advice on creating surf-approved sample or loop-based drum tracks. And where does one find drum loops and samples, hopefully in the public domain?
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Joined: Aug 23, 2006 Posts: 2123 The jungle 
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Posted on Jan 22 2007 02:43 AM
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california 
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Posted on Jan 22 2007 12:25 PM
LHR: there is a little bit of info on drum software in this thread: also some about free drum software (Hammerhead) at the end of this thread: good luck, |
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Joined: Aug 23, 2006 Posts: 2123 The jungle
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Posted on Jan 22 2007 05:19 PM
Thanks dp. I did a forum search but somehow missed those posts. After reading my original post, I guess I was a bit vague. I have been using Sony Acid Pro 6 lately and have used Acid since it came out. It is a powerful loop-based music creation program and I know my way around it. My problem is not the software, it is the drum samples and loops available these days. I don't wish to create artistic drum tracks note-by-note. All I need is some standard rock drumming to record some demos to. Usually I locate a natural-sounding 1-bar 4/4 sample, loop it over and over with the flams, fills, and whatever on a separate track where needed. (Of course I retempo the song before recording the guitar tracks.) I lost a rather prodigious collection of acoustically-recorded drum loops and tracks and now I can't seem to find any more on the web. Like you said, most of what I am finding is techno and breakbeat stuff not suitable for surf. — |
Joined: Aug 24, 2006 Posts: 204 Newcastle... Australia
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Posted on Jan 23 2007 08:05 AM
...lhr, why don't you sample some early surf recordings like surfaris, they usually have a few bars of drums only. i use cool edit pro(adobe audition now?), it has a feature that marks the beats in a wav sample, then you just select the bit you want to loop, you save it as a special loop enabled wave file and then do with it what you want in the multitrack part. i don't know how acid works(the program that is... ...now that i am ready to re-join the human race, i'm gonna make friends with a real drummer!! they are easier to program but more prone to crash... adam |
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Posted on Jan 31 2007 12:49 AM
I use drum samples all the time, sometimes for finished work, other times I have used DFH and BFD alot, both sound great. Also FXpansion makes easy drummer which I also like for the grooves. I haven't work DrumCore but from what I've seen it's very good. |
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Posted on Feb 23 2007 07:30 AM
Try Addictive Drums. There is a free demo that will keep you busy. http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=home |
Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Posts: 1566 Brighton UK
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Posted on Feb 23 2007 10:16 AM
Another vote for BFD. |
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Joined: Apr 23, 2006 Posts: 260 Oceanside, CA
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Posted on Feb 23 2007 12:25 PM
If you you re really looking to use mainly loops and construction kits, Ableton Live is a unbeatable piece of software. I used to use it quite a bit with Industrial and gothic music projects. I think thereis now a lite version available. You can stack loops, trigger them and tweak while recording it live. Not as much of a learnin curve as Reason, but way more fun to use compared to Fruity Loops. I use Sample Tank 2 XL, also. But I write the drum lines in that. But most of the time, I would use my EMU XL7 and send the midi to the channels to record back into Pro Tools. -RT |
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Posted on Apr 12 2011 10:37 AM
Hope this isn't too spammy, i need this sooooooo bad! Big Fish Audio - SURF! |
Joined: Dec 23, 2008 Posts: 3324 Pittsboro, NC
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Posted on Apr 12 2011 10:41 AM
Woah! Nice find! — |
Joined: Jun 22, 2010 Posts: 120 Durham, NC
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Posted on Apr 14 2011 08:55 AM
Great find, Crumble! —Full length "Chases Lead to Crashes" available now - The Red Planets |
Joined: Apr 03, 2010 Posts: 3201 Jacksonville, AL
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Posted on Apr 14 2011 01:52 PM
I have been using BFD2 in conjunction with Cakewalk Sonar for quite a while when doing demos. As far as the onboard samples go, these are the most realistic I have found, pending your access to a good electronic kit or time to tinker with midi files... —THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary. www.thekbk.com |
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Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 07:07 AM
The latest version of Sonar has it's own BFD2 type drumkit, i tried it out and was very impressed. It's possible to strip out the drum part of standard GM midi files and use them with BFD2/Toontrack whatever, for instance, free Ventures midi files found on the net. So i've been told, country drumming can work with surf music! Drum Mapping can be a pain though.. I just wish some truly great surf drummer would hook himself up to an electric kit (Hello Dusty!) and sell us the midi data ...how cool would that be! |
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Joined: Jun 22, 2010 Posts: 120 Durham, NC
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 10:25 AM
I bought the Big Fish Audio surf set last night. haven't played around with it yet. But, while I was there, saw that they also have a "Wild West" set that would appeal to many folks here. —Full length "Chases Lead to Crashes" available now - The Red Planets |
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Joined: Apr 03, 2010 Posts: 3201 Jacksonville, AL
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 11:06 AM
crumble wrote:
I used to use Sonar's built in midi grid to write out drum parts for demos. It could be quite time consuming. BFD2 didn't really fix this problem. It did, however, provide the absolute best drum samples I have ever heard and, if one takes their time, could fool even the most trained ear. —THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary. www.thekbk.com |
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Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Posts: 1566 Brighton UK
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 11:54 AM
crumble wrote:
Now, I may be worng, but I seem to remember that, at one time, Dusty was going to do just that. — |
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 01:59 PM
GaryPlanets wrote:
BFA Wild West looks pretty awesome. |
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Joined: Apr 03, 2010 Posts: 3201 Jacksonville, AL
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 03:57 PM
crumble wrote:
Once again, I can only speak for BFD2...I do not remember how large the drum folder is. I do know that BFD2 loads all the drum samples into your ram for quick access. One basic kit's samples take up about 3-4 gigs of ram on my laptop. —THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary. www.thekbk.com |
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 05:23 PM
Sorry Killbabykill34, i think we're getting a little crossed up there. I wish i could handle Sonars piano roll editor manualy like you do. Drum patterns totally do my head in! I was asking about the BFA Surf CD (Big Fish Audio)because it's a lot of money and most of the sample files (excuding the drums) are useless to me. If theres a gigabyte worth of good honest surf drum loops i might well buy it. |
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Joined: Jun 22, 2010 Posts: 120 Durham, NC
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Posted on Apr 15 2011 07:01 PM
Having played with the BFA Surf stuff a little, I'd say save your money if it's drums only that you want if you're at all comfortable with some other drum programs. But, Crumble since you say you don't used BFD/Toontrack and the like, I'd say it might be worth it for you. But, only if you're just starting to build a library. There's usable stuff, for sure. But, not as much as I'd hoped, and truthfully, I'm having buyers remorse wishing I'd bought the Wild West version instead. —Full length "Chases Lead to Crashes" available now - The Red Planets |
)but it must be similar....if you're just using it for demos then sample the whole cowabunga box set! 
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