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Permalink Superchamp XD Reverb vs Pedal

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I have a Superchamp XD which I love but was wondering if a reverb pedal would give me better sound.

I seriously doubt it but I haven't tried every pedal out there. You can definitely get worse sounding reverb from a pedal though.

I currently own a Super Champ XD and have owned a Fender 63 Reverb Reissue Unit. I will say the reverb on the super champ XD is EXCELLENT. There are some great sounding reverbs in that amp. HOWEVER, none of the have any drip really. For a "surf" rhythm/chord kind of thing it can be passable. For a mellow surf sound you can get pretty close. However, it will not get the aggressive, tube driven drip and tone. It sounds much more mellow by comparison. If considering a pedal as an upgrade, I would consider the BOSS FRV-1 pedal. That is probably your best bet on the cheap.

surferXmatt wrote:

I currently own a Super Champ XD and have owned a
Fender 63 Reverb Reissue Unit. I will say the reverb
on the super champ XD is EXCELLENT. There are some
great sounding reverbs in that amp. HOWEVER, none of
the have any drip really. For a "surf" rhythm/chord
kind of thing it can be passable. For a mellow surf
sound you can get pretty close. However, it will not
get the aggressive, tube driven drip and tone. It
sounds much more mellow by comparison. If considering
a pedal as an upgrade, I would consider the BOSS FRV-1
pedal. That is probably your best bet on the cheap.

This brings up a question. I can understand how a pedal produces drip; it's just another sound produced the way a processor can add any sound it's programmed with. It's like folley art for amps.

Neither my practice amp (that has a powerful spring reverb) or the Fender Stage 112SE I'm buying (that has an even more powerful spring reverb) produce any drip that I can hear. But the Boss RV-5 I'm also getting can produce huge drip. (They're on play-away at my guitar store.)

But, how does a spring reverb produce drip? And, how is it more realistic when a spring reverb cabinet does it than when a pedal programmed with the drip sound does it?

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Noel wrote:

But, how does a spring reverb produce drip? And, how is
it more realistic when a spring reverb cabinet does it
than when a pedal programmed with the drip sound does
it?

The digital means is an inexact (often tinny or shrill) simulation of the real thing, which is a combination of electrical and mechanical processes.

A simplified description might be this: an outboard tube reverb has a pre-amp that amplifies the guitar signal. The signal is sent to transducers, which convert the electrical signal to mechanical vibration. The transducers vibrate springs suspended in the pan. At the other end of the springs is another set of transducers which convert the vibration back into the electrical realm. The mixer part of the circuit is used to combine the original signal with the signal that went over this spring path.

The reverb you find in most combo amps is not (usually) the same circuit as an outboard unit, and it is sometimes altering the guitar signal in a different signal stage.

This is why most people are simply astonished at the difference the first time they play a real outboard unit after having only played combo amps with built-in reverb.

If you can only afford a pedal, the consensus is to get the FRV-1. Otherwise get a real outboard unit; there is no comparison (yet) for playing surf music.

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Brian,

Thanks. That was very helpful. I can't afford the FRV-1 right now (it was really what I originally wanted) but the RV-5 is part of the deal with the Stage 112SE and I can't pass up the price. They do seem to work well together. This is as much upgrade as I can handle for now.

I'll look to upgrade my gear again after I've upgraded my playing to the next level.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Over the years I have had plenty of amps, Marshall, Fender, Peavey, Ampeg, Crate.. just to name a few. All had on board spring reverb. The only one that produced a decent drip was my Peavey Supreme Head 100W. I actually preferred the on board reverb to my Fender Reverb Unit. Not ashamed to admit that! Anyway, I ditched my tank - I find the onboard reverb of the Super Champ XD adequate for my needs right now. Since I play surf casually and not in a band - I would probably grab a FRV-1 but money is tight right now. Onboard reverb will have to suffice.

I was looking at one of those Super Champ's at GC yesterday when I went in to look at a used Fender Tank they have.

I got to talking to a guy that works there about the Champ vs the Tank.
I chat with him everytime I go in, he knows I'm just a basement hack player and I have an amp with on board reverb aleady.

His words were "don't buy with plans to upgrade when you get better, your just throwing money away. Save and get what you want."

"Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck

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BeachBumScott wrote:

....
I caht with him everytime I go in. He knows I'm just a
basement hack player and I have an amp with on board
reverb aleady.

His words were "don't buy with plans to upgrade when
you get better, your just throwing money away. Save and
get what you want."

I used to be single and without children and a mortgage, too.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

I think it's a great amp. For $300 it is one of the best amps on the market IMO. I agree though, if you can afford it - spend it. Smile Noel.. I am with you on the mortgage and wife, etc.

That's why he said save your money. Granted it will take longer to save if you have a family & mortgage.

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Brian wrote:

That's why he said save your money. Granted it will
take longer to save if you have a family & mortgage.

Agreed. And I knew I should have ended with an LOL. I wasn't being that serious.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Sorry. We have too many reverb pedal threads and it tends to get under my skin sometimes.

To the OP: the answer to your question is yes.

But first and foremost, play your guitar to have fun and get better as a musician. Pedals, effects, amps, are all secondary to that. Big Grin

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Brian wrote:

Sorry. We have too many reverb pedal threads ....

Yes. Yes, there are. When I look something up, the hits are all over the place. Could the Gear Forum be sub-divided into Guitars, Pedals, Amps, Pre-amps and Reverb Tanks? Just an idea. Or, just stick Pedals out on the side alone? Would it be that hard to link all the existing threads to it? At least new threads could go there.

I gather there is a reason your avatar is beating his head against his computer.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Thanks for the info guys. I'm going to try a Boss FRV-1. Sorry, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers with my post. I wasn't asking for a recommendation on any pedals, just wanted to know if I could improve on the reverb of my amp. A tank would really be overkill for me as I only play for my own enjoyment.

Last edited: Mar 24, 2011 18:16:41

Musicians are a passionate lot, at least about music. Otherwise we'd just watch TV. Every one I've known was always very helpful and willing to share an answer for anything I asked about. But, ask two musicians, get two answers. Ask a forum and start a debate. It's always fun, or should be.

But playing and performing music is more fun. My guitar is calling.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Sorry if I was cynical. Again, the FRV-1 will definitely give you tons of reverb over your amp.

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crmartin wrote:

Thanks for the info guys. I'm going to try a Boss
FRV-1. Sorry, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers with
my post. I wasn't asking for a recommendation on any
pedals, just wanted to know if I could improve on the
reverb of my amp. A tank would really be overkill for
me as I only play for my own enjoyment.

No idea why people's feathers should be ruffled. It's a surf forum. People will ask about reverb pedals. It's like someone complaining at "another Jazzmaster thread". Confused

Anyway, the answer is yes. I have Super Champ XD. The hall reverb is nice but fairly subtle. Most reverb pedals with hall setting will sound similar, but with more to tweak. The spring is....meh. It's way to trebley for my liking.

If you're after spring reverb then yes, the Boss FRV-1 is a good choice (though I found it compresses fuzz pedals a little). If you want a fatter reverb with a natural decay similar to a spring tank you could try the Malekko chicklet/spring or the Earthquaker Ghost Echo. I prefer the GE, but it's quite hissy with the XD amp but takes fuzz way better.

For more diversity (but with spring settings included) there's the cheap digitech digiverb, or for more $$ the Digitech RV-7. The Boss RV-5 Is pretty good to, though the spring setting is a bit random.

So there you go.

I like reverb pedals and will talk about them if prompted. Especially on a surf guitar forum if it helps someone out. Yes

Last edited: Mar 25, 2011 16:38:09

I have no problem talking about reverb pedals, I just wish it was all done in one thread instead of scattering it over 50,000 random threads. Unfortunately I have failed in stickying a reverb pedal thread and directing all traffic to it.

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Oh I have a wife and a mortgage Sigh but when I started playing guitar I also knew that someday I would want a tank...
So instead of saving up for that MIA Strat I went the Squier route and have been putting my change jar into an account and we each agreed that our tax return money is to spend on what ever we want... and I just got my tax check Big Grin

"Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck

Last edited: Mar 25, 2011 19:08:53

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