DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 21 2011 01:29 PM
I don't get why baritone is constantly associated with "spaghetti western." Not that I've heard every soundtrack out there, but I have yet to hear one with baritone guitar. As near as I can tell, if you've got a Fender Jaguar, a clean amp with some spring reverb, and maybe a nasty fuzzbox for those late 60's soundtracks, you've got it covered. Not that you can't play spaghetti western on a baritone, of course.
Maybe people are confusing spaghetti western with Duane Eddy?
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deepeddy
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Posted on Mar 21 2011 01:46 PM
DeadRanchHands wrote:
I don't get why baritone is constantly associated with
"spaghetti western." Not that I've heard every
soundtrack out there, but I have yet to hear one with
baritone guitar. As near as I can tell, if you've got a
Fender Jaguar, a clean amp with some spring reverb, and
maybe a nasty fuzzbox for those late 60's soundtracks,
you've got it covered. Not that you can't play
spaghetti western on a baritone, of course.
Maybe people are confusing spaghetti western with Duane
Eddy?
I'll make it a point to put a baritone on at least one song on the next Nematoads album...
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Mar 21 2011 02:48 PM
At the Spaghetti Western Festival this past weekend,
they would play about 30 min. of trailers before showing a full film.
Some of the films theme songs had Baritone in them.
some was kind of buried in the mix,and some was very loud and out
front.
Wish I had written them down.
and they only had movies for sale at the show.
No music.

— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 21 2011 03:05 PM
bigtikidude wrote:
At the Spaghetti Western Festival this past weekend,
they would play about 30 min. of trailers before
showing a full film.
Some of the films theme songs had Baritone in them.
some was kind of buried in the mix,and some was very
loud and out
front.
Wish I had written them down.
and they only had movies for sale at the show.
No music.

Man, I'd love to know what films those were
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WhorehayRFB
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Posted on Mar 21 2011 08:27 PM
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 21 2011 08:55 PM
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LittleKahunaCraig
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Posted on Mar 21 2011 09:22 PM
We recorded the Virginian for a compilation cd called "Six Gun Surf". I used my baritone on that... Check it out
http://www.dwmmusic.com/order.asp?product=SD044&artist=Various+%28SGS%29&title=Six+Gun+Surf&price=14%2E98
Track 7.
You are right, we could have used the Jaguar, but the baritone is just so cool and different.
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Tuck
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 09:22 AM
Maybe there's a audio-mental association of lower register wound-string leads with the baritone sound?
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 09:11 PM
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Brian
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 09:27 PM
DeadRanchHands wrote:
Okay, now I feel stupid. I've heard this a hundred
times, but didn't notice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvhbkvZ-oY
Where's the baritone in that? Sad it is all chopped up.
Anyway, not sure where you got the impression Spaghetti Westerns have lots of baritone guitar. I think Tuck's theory is right.
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ravcon
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 09:33 PM
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 10:10 PM
Brian wrote:
DeadRanchHands wrote:
Okay, now I feel stupid. I've heard this a hundred
times, but didn't notice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvhbkvZ-oY
Where's the baritone in that? Sad it is all chopped
up.
Anyway, not sure where you got the impression Spaghetti
Westerns have lots of baritone guitar. I think Tuck's
theory is right.
About 23 seconds in. Or it could be acoustic bass.
I actually hadn't noticed, it's just something I've always heard online. Threads about SW music always bring up baritone guitars.
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 10:11 PM
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ravcon
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 10:20 PM
and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhAsqM0O00
& http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIgq_tVkXKI
and, from my favorite video game ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGbcGNTBbw8
Seriously, If you don't own Red Dead Revolver, it's a great two player game and the soundtrack is awesome.
— Mike
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Mar 22 2011 11:32 PM
Red Dead Redemption, much better. But I enjoyed Revolver myself.
1.) I haven't heard a baritone guitar in this thread, granted I skipped bits and pieces of the songs because...
2.) Spaghetti Western composers other than Ennio Morricone are all(probably) pretty shitty. I haven't heard anything good anyways. Morricone wasn't good because of the twangy sounds and whistling, as too many people believe. Morricone was good because he could capture the heart and soul of a character(whether that character be good, bad, neutral, et cetera). He was also a great organist and composer. I'd say the Mission eclipses anything he did with Leone, or in that "genre".
There is a baritone, where the note falls in the octave, and baritone guitar. None of what is posted is a baritone guitar. The Morricone one is an acoustic instrument, certainly tuned lower than low E on a guitar. That instrument... I have no idea. Bass classical/flamenco. They exist.
A detuned guitar can accomplish a lot. Most spaghetti western tracks I've heard are just standard tuning, maybe tuned down to d or c. Low e is pretty low and without reverb it sounds much duller and with more thud.
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ravcon
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Charlotte, NC
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Posted on Mar 23 2011 12:38 AM
Tic Tac 6-String Bass, Baritone guitar. Splitting hairs. It's the sound he's looking for and it is there in the clips. Also, if you're limiting yourself to Morricone alone, you're missing out on lot's of good music. I guess since you're not going to listen though, you'll never know.
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 23 2011 07:25 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
Red Dead Redemption, much better. But I enjoyed
Revolver myself.
1.) I haven't heard a baritone guitar in this thread,
granted I skipped bits and pieces of the songs
because...
2.) Spaghetti Western composers other than Ennio
Morricone are all(probably) pretty shitty. I haven't
heard anything good anyways. Morricone wasn't good
because of the twangy sounds and whistling, as too many
people believe. Morricone was good because he could
capture the heart and soul of a character(whether that
character be good, bad, neutral, et cetera). He was
also a great organist and composer. I'd say the Mission
eclipses anything he did with Leone, or in that
"genre".
There is a baritone, where the note falls in the
octave, and baritone guitar. None of what is posted is
a baritone guitar. The Morricone one is an acoustic
instrument, certainly tuned lower than low E on a
guitar. That instrument... I have no idea. Bass
classical/flamenco. They exist.
A detuned guitar can accomplish a lot. Most spaghetti
western tracks I've heard are just standard tuning,
maybe tuned down to d or c. Low e is pretty low and
without reverb it sounds much duller and with more
thud.
There are a lot great spaghetti western composers. Bruno Nicolai, Benedetto Ghiglia, Bixio Frizzi Tempera, Riz Ortolani, and Stelvio Cipriani come to mind. Morricone was great for a lot reasons, and one of the is his innovative choice of voices.
I've tuned a 25.5" scale guitar down to A. If it falls in the baritone range, it counts as baritone to me.
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EricB
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Posted on Mar 23 2011 02:41 PM
Don't forget Luis Enrique Bacalov. His main theme from "A Bullet for the General" is fantastic. Also, the Grand Duel piece from "Storm Rider", which got reused in the anime sequence from the first Kill Bill is top notch stuff.
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Mar 23 2011 03:07 PM
I found another: Preparati la bara (Nel cimitero di Tucson) by Gianfranco & Gian Piero Reverberi
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ravcon
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Posted on Mar 23 2011 07:08 PM
Bacalov is one of my favorites. Here's one of my faves of his: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe_m6-J1Qfo
(no baritone content that I can tell though)
Funky bass!
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