vanillabear451
Joined: Mar 10, 2011
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 12:13 PM
So for my first real guitar for surf music, i can't decide between a Jaguar or a Jazzmaster. I'm thinking maybe even a Telecaster, but i don't know for sure (i'm really love the maple fretboard that you can't get on the Jag or Jazz). So what do you guys say? whats better about a Jaguar and/or Jazzmaster? Thanks in advance!!
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bodysnatcher1
Joined: Mar 16, 2010
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Norwalk Ca
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 12:26 PM
Theres a Squire Jazzmaster out right now that has a maple neck. Its about 3-400 I believe, just to give another option.
I'd go with a Jaguar with some bridge cable size strings, in the end I think you'll be happier.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 02:02 PM
I wouldn't rule out any guitar. If you really like Teles then I think that is the route you should go, same goes for the other two. It would be best for you to try the models out before you make the decision.
The Jag/Jazz are guitars I like because the extra length behind the bridge really adds an interesting effect to the guitar. I also really like the trem system on those guitar. They can be a trick to set up and keep set up.
Teles sound amazing and almost always play quite well. They set up very easily. However, it is my opinion that teles don't sit in a surf mix too well, this is is there are multiple guitars.
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ChazSurf
Joined: Nov 25, 2010
Posts: 191
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 05:03 PM
I have an Eastwood Monolith, which is a Tele-style guitar. I keep thinking that, if it had a tremolo, it would be great for surf. I have a CP Jaguar that I really like. Lately I've been playing a Custom Vibe 50's Squier Statocaster, and loving every minute with it. In fact, I was practicing with it only moments ago. The neck is a tad thin, but the most amazing tone comes from those pickups.
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Stormtiger
Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2682
Ventura, CA
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 05:18 PM
I have a Tele with a Jaguar tremolo unit but I use roundwounds, can't bring myself to put flats on a Tele while I normally use flats on a Jaguar. You can hear it here with lots of reverb using both pickups, it stands out best in the middle section of the song:
http://www.myspace.com/406410839/music/songs/Breath-of-the-Ocean-76887172
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narciso
Joined: Mar 29, 2010
Posts: 324
Spain
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 06:17 PM
I think teles are great guitars if you want to keep things simple. Good sounds, reliable and almost indestructible guitars. IMO both pickups selection is great for surf sounds and you can always use the bridge pickup for more agressive sounds (rolling back a bit the tone to avoid breaking the windows glasses). I never use the neck pickup for surf. But the lack of tremolo is there and that counts. I used to rule out guitars with tremolo because I was too lazy to deal with trem issues and I was happy with the finger vibrato I developed along the years. But recently I bought a Hofner Galaxie and, actually, the expresiveness that even the most subtle trem gives to your playing cannot be reached with the best finger vibrato. Just a different vibe.
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Baine
Joined: Mar 08, 2008
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NJ shore
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 09:36 PM
I've had a Jazzmaster for almost 30 years. I think it is just the greatest sounding guitar. I bought it before I ever considered playing surf guitar, even though I'd loved the music since I was a kid. I just remember sitting in the music store, playing the thing and loving the warm, full tones I could get with the middle or neck pickups and the nice, jangly sounds I could make with the bridge (I was really into REM back then). I tried about 30 guitars that day, (I'd come looking for a Strat or a nice hollow body) but picked the odd-looking $189 Fender because none sounded as good to me.
Since then I've played everything from the Beatles to the Ramones (badly) on it and have never been disappointed in the sound.
I stumbled across this site when looking for more info on Jazzmasters and am even more pleased with the guitar now. Even though it probably hasn't been set up since we had boys in Vietnam, it still plays very nicely.
I've played lots of other guitars in the intervening years, and while Ricks or Gretsches sound good, I still think the JM is really much more versatile. I even like the Rockabilly noise I can make with it. I think they have a very nice Twang.
For my money, Jags are the ultimate surf guitar. But if you're looking for something that's a bit more versatile, I'd heartily recommend a Jazzmaster. I've never owned a Tele, but I'd venture the opinion that JM's are just, if not more, versatile.
I was recently playing one of the Squire JM's, and while it's not as nice as my Fender (and doesn't have the rhythm switch or a separate set of dials), for the money it's not a bad guitar.
If I have one complaint about the Jazzmaster, it's that the darn thing is so heavy. Play with it around your neck for a couple of hours and you'll feel it.
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LHR
Joined: Aug 23, 2006
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The jungle
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Posted on Mar 10 2011 10:28 PM
I have used all three of the guitars you mention in my surf band. Granted, the Tele has a Bigsby on it as I find wang bar essential. And I happen to really like the way my Telecaster sounds in the band. Take your pick I say, but beware the sideways glances if you play out with a Tele. The screw counters will insist upon one of only five instruments: 1. Fender Stratocaster; 2. Fender Jazzmaster; 3. Fender Jaguar; 4. Mosrite Whatchamacallit; or 5. Yamaha SGV or alike.
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Icetech
Joined: Dec 16, 2006
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Macomb Mich
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 07:53 AM
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fenderfan
Joined: Jul 13, 2008
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 09:16 AM
For an example of a Telecaster/Esquire in surf: Over in the Downloads section, in the Gear samples category, I placed a recording of my band, the Royal Aces, playing our original "Midnight Surf", and on that song I'm playing an Esquire that has a vibrato bar installed. I'm playing through a 60s Ampeg.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 10:29 AM
But an esquire can sound so very different.
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DeadRanchHands
Joined: Apr 15, 2008
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 03:45 PM
My main surf guitar is a Tele, but I've modded it so much to make it sound more surfy (Jazzmaster pickup, Bigsby w/out using the roller bar, ultra shimmed neck), I would really go with an offset. Any guitar with single coils can make a fine surf instrument (and even some with humbuckers), but I think offsets give you that surf sound without having to work for it.
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websurfer
Joined: May 14, 2007
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 05:45 PM
I sort of feel your pain regarding the Jazz/Jag thing. I couldn't really decide either, so I'm currently going the custom build route and opting for a Jazzmaster with metal Jag plates and a couple other personal touches. Kind of having your Jazz and Jag chrome too.
These days I'm apt to think of the Jaguar as the quintessential surf guitar. That said, I love how Dick Dale sounds with the Stratocaster and the Astronauts or Frank Blandino sound with the Jazzmaster (to name a few).
Then I put on a Satan's Pilgrims or the Surf Teens/New Dimensions album and it just sounds so right. I don't know. I just thank Leo Fender . . .
Anyway, in the end it came down to scale length. But lord willing, there will be a Jaguar in my future someday.
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vanillabear451
Joined: Mar 10, 2011
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 05:59 PM
thanks guys! I'm thinking of going with the Classic Player Jaguar, the only thing is I'm just not feelin' the color options...and i do dig the look of that Squire Jazzmaster with the maple neck. But does the fact that its a Squire, and only cost like $300 suggest that it might not be that great? Especially since I'm considering guitars that cost around $1000
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big_papu
Joined: May 17, 2006
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Buenos Aires
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 06:30 PM
MIJ jazzmaster with seymour duncan antiquity PUs is a great option and not so expensive
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dubtrub
Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 245
Bakersfield CA.
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 08:37 PM
big_papu wrote:
MIJ jazzmaster with seymour duncan antiquity PUs is a
great option and not so expensive
I have that exact combination with the addition of a Mustang bridge. Photo's and YouTube link on our website. You can here how it sounds in the music page. http://thetsunamisurfers.com/Home_Page.html
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Baine
Joined: Mar 08, 2008
Posts: 195
NJ shore
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 08:49 PM
I was impressed by the Squire JM, and 3 bills leave lots of room for tweaking.
That said, if you have cash to burn, I do think Jags are very, very cool. Someday, when both kids are graduated from college, I will be one very old, happy Jag owner.
Til then, I wish Squire would release their cheap version of a real jag, with none of this humbucker stuff.
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big_papu
Joined: May 17, 2006
Posts: 657
Buenos Aires
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Posted on Mar 11 2011 08:51 PM
dubtrub wrote:
big_papu wrote:
MIJ jazzmaster with seymour duncan antiquity PUs is
a
great option and not so expensive
I have that exact combination with the addition of a
Mustang bridge. Photo's and YouTube link on our
website. You can here how it sounds in the music page.
http://thetsunamisurfers.com/Home_Page.html
I have the mustang bridge too.......solves all the bridge and tuning problems quite well
— El Papu & los Fantasticos Reverberantes
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casey
Joined: May 18, 2006
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Posted on Mar 12 2011 03:23 AM
Surf = Vibrato bar; Strat, Jazz, and Jag all have one. Unless you like to mod guitars keep it simple and get one of these. Strat is somewhat more versatile than Jazz which is significantly more versatile than Jag. The classic players Jag has humbucking p/u's - if I wanted a Jag for surf would definitely prefer the normal single coil setup they have. Personally, I use an AVRI Jazz for most surf material, and find it versatile enough for lots of other things. Never had any bridge issues with the stock bridge, but I don't ever play "hard" enough to break a string so maybe that's why.
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LHR
Joined: Aug 23, 2006
Posts: 2123
The jungle
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Posted on Mar 12 2011 04:36 AM
Duncan Antiquities are great pickups, no doubt. However, I replaced my Japanese Jazzmaster pickups with some by the Pickup Wizard. These are f-in great pickups. And cheap! I got them from his eBay sale, made a lowball "best offer" and scored them for around $100/pr. Fast shipping, too. I opted for a set with Formvar-insulated winding and cloth covered lead wire. Very nice. Do yourself a favor and check them out. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260656675215
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