WaimeaBay
Joined: Jul 05, 2006
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 07:57 PM
I started playing bass, but switched to guitar when I was a budding musician. I am thinking about taking up the instrument.
Anyone have any pointers for getting started. What are some common bass runs over major and minor chords. Appregios?? Any start tips would be appreciated.
ps I think i might get a fender p bass. Although I like how the Jazz looks.
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SurfBandBill
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
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San Francisco
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Posted on Nov 03 2006 02:22 AM
I'm a P-Bass guy myself, but many guitarists I know like the Jazz Bass since the neck gets a little thinner as you approach the headstock.
As far as pointers go, if you're looking at surf bass, there isn't a hell of a lot to learn beyond finding interesting ways around the "root-5" combo, and the ever-essential "half-tone hammer on".
~B~
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on Nov 03 2006 11:54 AM
i too, am a precisionbass devotee...
but, the jazzbass looks cool and sounds cool and has that skinny neck in the 1st position...too skinny for me, though.
the first thing to learn as a surfbassist is the importance of tuning (EADG)...and what a "root" note is, and the "octave" note and the "fifth" note.
all the other stuff about rhythm and scales and all that is just for show...
root, octave, fifth...and tuning...
you'll be playin' surfbass in no time.
-dp
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Nov 03 2006 02:48 PM
Don't listen to those two, you aren't cool unless you play a Jazz bass. Also, buy ash tray covers for the jazz bass. The Jazzbass ashtrays look cooler than the p-bass ones.
I'm an expert...
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3546
mojave desert, california
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Posted on Nov 03 2006 03:49 PM
JakeDobner
Don't listen to those two, you aren't cool unless you play a Jazz bass. Also, buy ash tray covers for the jazz bass. The Jazzbass ashtrays look cooler than the p-bass ones.
I'm an expert...
yes...the jazzbass chrome-cover-action IS hot stuff!
and yes, I absolutely concur: jake is an expert on this topic
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WaimeaBay
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Posted on Nov 03 2006 05:12 PM
dp,
i am alittle more concerned with right hand technique. Do you use just the pointer and middle finger? Is that like alternate picking? Does right hand technique just start to come natrual with practice?
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on Nov 03 2006 05:28 PM
WaimeaBay
dp,
i am alittle more concerned with right hand technique. Do you use just the pointer and middle finger? Is that like alternate picking? Does right hand technique just start to come natrual with practice?
waimea:
i mostly use a pick for surf-style bass...
but, for finger style: i alternate pointer and middle finger attacks with the right hand. i use the right hand ring finger to add fast triplets...and sometimes i'll even use the right hand thumb for down strokes on the low E string or low A string.
if you begin slowly with the pointer/middle fingers doing most of the walking, you should be fine... just aternate between the two fingers: p/m/p/m/p/m etc.
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kanekila
Joined: Jun 23, 2006
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Safety Harbor, Florida
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Posted on Nov 12 2006 05:55 PM
WaimeaBay
dp,
i am alittle more concerned with right hand technique. Do you use just the pointer and middle finger? Is that like alternate picking? Does right hand technique just start to come natrual with practice?
Waimea,
Yes! Practice alternating with your index/middle fingers, trying to get the tone to be the same with each finger. Example: play just one note, say a G on the E string, third fret. If you pluck quarter notes with just your index at, say 120 beat per minute, you'll hear what that should sound like. Try to match that by alternating your i/m so that it sounds smooooooth.
Regarding arpeggios, scales, etc., don't forget the 'third' in there, whether minor or major. Some tunes, I just play root/three/five/three/root or sometimes, root/three/root/three/root/three - depends on the tune.
Check out what I'm doing on my tune in the Demo section in Downloads called Kilawaimea. The bass is doing a "root-root-three-flat7-root-flat7-five-flat7" ostinato pattern, which is what's really driving the tune, along with the drums. It's in B minor.
Sometimes I'll do a "root-root-two-minor3rd" thing over and over, or some variation, again, to drive the tune.
As a general rule of thumb though, root, third, fifth and seventh are the primary outlines for bass (in this context).
My way ain't 'the only way' though, so keep on digging and learning but above all else -- listening to those you want to emulate.
YMMV...
TJW
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Kanekila
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WaimeaBay
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Posted on Nov 12 2006 07:48 PM
kanekila thanks for that great advice!
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Surfabilly
Joined: Apr 21, 2006
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Connersville, Indiana, USA
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Posted on Nov 12 2006 09:15 PM
In gearing up toward one-man-band recording efforts, I'll be adding a Fender Standard Jazz Bass for styles where a Precision would be too harsh. If it means trying a ton-and-a-half of Standards, against more expensive models to find a Standard that don't sound like shit, I'll do it (my wallet will appreciate me for the effort).
I've never managed to get comfortable using a pick for bass, so I go with finger picking with occasional thumb down strokes, depending on what I'm playing. I need to start listening to, and following along with my surf CDs, so that I can develop my own surf bass style, as I've concentrated a tad too much on surf guitar playing. Otherwise, I love playing 12-bar blues lines, straight-8s and 4-square lines. 12-bar blues is about as close to walking bass that I can get, at the moment, so I'll need a bit more practice, there. I can play some walking bass lines, but I'm lacking accuracy and speed.
Matt
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chad3006
Joined: Aug 21, 2006
Posts: 76
USA
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Posted on Nov 14 2006 09:42 PM
I've got a Danelectro Longhorn bass. Since I normally play guitar, I like the short scale length to keep everything relatively familiar. Plus that, it looks cool too.
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Mojito
Joined: Aug 08, 2006
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Washington DC
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 05:44 AM
I'm jumping in a little late here, but you might also consider the new Jag Bass from Fender. It's essentially a souped up Jazz with a new body style. Nice slim neck and decent appointments.
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JoshHeartless
Joined: Jun 17, 2006
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Bay City, Michigan
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 10:39 AM
buy a jaguar bass.
they have super fast action, endless tone-changing possibilities, an active/passive switch, and aren't that expensive.
oh, and they look cool as heck.
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JoshHeartless
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Bay City, Michigan
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 10:47 AM
Mojito
I'm jumping in a little late here, but you might also consider the new Jag Bass from Fender. It's essentially a souped up Jazz with a new body style. Nice slim neck and decent appointments.
haha, didnt even see that post there, sorry.
but yeah, they are awesome.
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BillAqua
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Chicago IL.
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 11:24 AM
Hearteater
buy a jaguar bass.
they have super fast action, endless tone-changing possibilities, an active/passive switch, and aren't that expensive.
oh, and they look cool as heck.
I'm no bass player but I play one in a band and even at that I just borrow the guitarists bass. I'd say get a Fender Jazz Bass it looks cooler than the P-Bass and it has those cool mutes. All you need is the Jazz Bass neck pickup and you've got that classic Fender bass sound. I wouldn't touch one of those new Fender Jaguar basses with a 10 foot poll because of the reasons listed above.
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BillAqua
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 11:31 AM
Sopeaking of basses our bass player just got one of these. image
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JoshHeartless
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 01:18 PM
BillAqua
All you need is the Jazz Bass neck pickup and you've got that classic Fender bass sound. I wouldn't touch one of those new Fender Jaguar basses with a 10 foot poll because of the reasons listed above.
doesnt a jag bass have jazz bass pickups?
and why wouldnt you touch one? they are nice and play really well.
how about with an 11 foot pole?
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BillAqua
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 01:40 PM
Hearteater
BillAqua
All you need is the Jazz Bass neck pickup and you've got that classic Fender bass sound. I wouldn't touch one of those new Fender Jaguar basses with a 10 foot poll because of the reasons listed above.
doesnt a jag bass have jazz bass pickups?
and why wouldnt you touch one? they are nice and play really well.
how about with an 11 foot pole?
Who ever heard of putting batteries in your guitar?
It reeks of a marketing ploy by Fender plus Leo didn't design it.
What was wrong with Jazz Bass.
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JoshHeartless
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 05:58 PM
Well that's an awesome feature of The Jaguar Bass. You actually don't have to put any batteries in it. It can run passive, just like a Jazz Bass. However good Jazz basses (especially the '62 RI) cost quite a bit of money. Plus alot of people have always wanted Fender to make a Jaguar Bass.
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BillAqua
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Posted on Dec 18 2006 06:54 PM
Hearteater
Well that's an awesome feature of The Jaguar Bass. You actually don't have to put any batteries in it. It can run passive, just like a Jazz Bass. However good Jazz basses (especially the '62 RI) cost quite a bit of money. Plus alot of people have always wanted Fender to make a Jaguar Bass.
Then get it.
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