SpaceFargo
Joined: Feb 18, 2010
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Lake Forest, CA
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Posted on Jun 13 2010 09:02 PM
I've been tossing around the idea of learning to drum for a while now and I'm wondering what would be the best way to dive into it. I missed out on a cheap kit on craigslist, but I intend to get a practice pad anyway. I've heard a billion people recommend Stick Control and other books, but I'm wondering more about what's the best way to progress from rudiments on a pad to a full kit.
I've been playing guitar and bass for years, but nobody I know likes surf and they generally prefer music with BROOTAL BLAST BEATS. Mainly I want to be able to record my own drumming for my surf material and maybe some jazz for fun (Herbie Hancock's Head Hunters is what persuaded me to pick up drumming, not to mention being a surf nut). If any of y'all have any pointers I'd be grateful.
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Let's Go Beach! Let's Go Beach!
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Icetech
Joined: Dec 16, 2006
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Macomb Mich
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Posted on Jun 13 2010 09:29 PM
kinda curious bout this also, since i suck at guitar i might as well suck at drums:) Was planning on trying to trade my ampeg 2x12 combo +cash for a kit..
— I wanna play just like him when i grow up...
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FritzCat
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 677
Sonoma, CA
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Posted on Jun 13 2010 10:41 PM
You should definitely check out this topic! And this website.
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shivers13
Joined: Jul 29, 2009
Posts: 2605
Boss Angeles, CA
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Posted on Jun 14 2010 12:18 AM
Just practice... it's that simple. If you wanna be good at something it takes lots of practice. That goes for anything that you wanna be good at, not just drumming. There are no shortcuts, unfortunately. Just play every day if you can.
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FredBaltazar
Joined: Apr 11, 2010
Posts: 138
London
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Posted on Jun 14 2010 05:09 AM
This post might be a bit off topic. Most of you will consider it redundant and probably in loads of cases you're right, however I consider that at some point any music player, independently of what instrument they play, should have percursion or drums experience in order to enhance their rhythm skills.
For me it has been quite helpfull to beat with my hands on my trousers, trying to keep the beat when I'm listening music 
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da-ron
Joined: Jan 02, 2009
Posts: 1307
The original Plymouth, UK.
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Posted on Jun 14 2010 07:05 AM
Just practice... it's that simple. If you wanna be good at something it takes lots of practice. That goes for anything that you wanna be good at, not just drumming. There are no shortcuts, unfortunately. Just play every day if you can.
I read a study that concluded it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become proficient. This figure was pretty consistent. They even went as far to say that there was no such thing as a musical 'gift'. A person may find it easier, and the greater rewards lead to greater playing time which results in accelerated learning. But the number of hours played is about 10,000hours. How many times have you heard, "He's really good on guitar, he plays it _all _the time!".
Trouble is, for most of us life drastically cuts into our practice time, and some never ever reach the magic 10,000 hours.
Our drummer started at 21 (he's mid 30's now) and he's blindingly good. Easily one of the best in the area.
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spskins
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3783
tn
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Posted on Jun 14 2010 10:49 AM
Stick Control is a good book to get used to getting your hands to "think" for themselves without your brain messing it up or second guessing them, but for 90% of surf you just need some single stroke rolls and the beat. Of course, there is more after that, which defines your playing, but those are the basics.
The best practice is listening and emulating. If you can pick out the drum part, as in what each hand and foot are doing, just take it from there and try it yourself, even if it is your hands on your knees and your feet tapping the floor.
Have fun. Surf drumming is definitely the most fun drumming there is.
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SpaceFargo
Joined: Feb 18, 2010
Posts: 260
Lake Forest, CA
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Posted on Jun 14 2010 09:00 PM
Ok one more thing, I don't actually own a kit and I'm cheaper than all get out. My initial idea was to get one of those adjustable practice pad kits and maybe a hat to go with it. Is this an alright idea for learning or should I just wait for a cheap kit to pop up on craigslist and throw some silencers on it? I'm not in a rush to play/record with others, I just want to learn the basics.
— Hot Summer Comes Again!
Let's Go Beach! Let's Go Beach!
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TFJ
Joined: Mar 04, 2006
Posts: 278
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Posted on Jun 14 2010 09:16 PM
not sure if you'd be into practicing out of a book, but stick control would be a good one to start with. If you just want to become comfortable playing some simple (surf) beats, then I would play along with some easy CDs & maybe if you don't have a kit, start with just a snare or the pad setup you mentioned. I'd keep an eye out for a cheap kit, but certainly wouldn't wait for the kit to begin working on stuff.
I think the "Pounding Surf" drums dvd would probably be good material for you also.
good luck.
tfj
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shivers13
Joined: Jul 29, 2009
Posts: 2605
Boss Angeles, CA
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Posted on Jun 14 2010 10:09 PM
spskins
The best practice is listening and emulating.
Excellent advice! I listened to Tim Fitzpatrick and Ron Wilson's fills over and over. (Still can't figure some of them out!) Playing along to stuff is a great way to learn for sure.
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BoardwalkerJeff
Joined: Jan 24, 2008
Posts: 376
Santa Monica, Ca.
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Posted on Jun 15 2010 01:02 AM
Sit down.
Shut up.
Listen.
Play.
Oh, Have fun!
— Jeff Utterback
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bodysnatcher1
Joined: Mar 16, 2010
Posts: 215
Norwalk Ca
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Posted on Jun 15 2010 01:23 AM
I play drums and the best advice I ever got was from the time I met one of my heroes Bill Ward of Black Sabbath.
He told me that as important as it is to keep a beat, to not be shy, and go ahead and paint colors with your kit, orchestrate it, of course there's a place for 1-2!-3-4!, but learn to paint a whole picture... and hit your drums like they're gonna hit back!
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wooza
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
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Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Jun 17 2010 12:26 AM
shivers13
spskins
The best practice is listening and emulating.
Excellent advice! I listened to Tim Fitzpatrick and Ron Wilson's fills over and over. (Still can't figure some of them out!) Playing along to stuff is a great way to learn for sure.
Too true. I'll take this opportunity to brag about/embarrass the Deadbeats' drummer John. He's quite possibly my favorite surf drummer out there, and he learned everything just by listening to none other than Ted, Norm, and Jim here in this very thread... Now check this out. Btw that's me playing lead guitar, and I too learned that song simply by listening carefully and practicing, practicing, practicing. It can be done and it really is the best way!
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11058
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jun 17 2010 12:51 AM
I second that - Jonathan is a great drummer. Very focused and tight - in a good way.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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shivers13
Joined: Jul 29, 2009
Posts: 2605
Boss Angeles, CA
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Posted on Jun 17 2010 08:30 AM
Nice drumming clip there by John! Solid!! An honor to know that I influenced someone. It's also cool to be the mentioned with Ted and Jim, two of the coolest drummers I know today. Keep up the great work, John!!
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Killers_From_Space
Joined: Dec 04, 2006
Posts: 131
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Posted on Jun 17 2010 09:51 AM
I learned to play a surf beat back in '89 by playing along to Jon & The Nightriders Surf Beat '80 album. I can't recommend it enough. Still my favorite album ever!
-Craig(Atomic Mosquitos)
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65acrolite
Joined: May 22, 2008
Posts: 68
San Pablo, CA
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Posted on Jun 17 2010 01:29 PM
wooza
Too true. I'll take this opportunity to brag about/embarrass the Deadbeats' drummer John. He's quite possibly my favorite surf drummer out there, and he learned everything just by listening to none other than Ted, Norm, and Jim here in this very thread... Now check this out. Btw that's me playing lead guitar, and I too learned that song simply by listening carefully and practicing, practicing, practicing. It can be done and it really is the best way!
DannySnyder
I second that - Jonathan is a great drummer. Very focused and tight - in a good way.
shiver13
Nice drumming clip there by John! Solid!! An honor to know that I influenced someone. It's also cool to be the mentioned with Ted and Jim, two of the coolest drummers I know today. Keep up the great work, John!!
Thanks guys, really means a lot to me. I was introduced to surf music around the same time I started to play drums. My bass player(Abraham) introduced me to surf music through The Ghastly Ones. Soon after Satan's Pilgrims, The Nebulas and The Surf Coasters along with The Ghastly Ones were being listened to EVERYDAY. Even to this day those drummers are my biggest influence. I got so obsessed that I started to learn all of their songs just by listening. I would go through their albums playing and trying to learn every song I could. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE is probably the most important advice any drummer can give you. And of course remember to have fun!
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