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Permalink Jag pickups/pots for rock n roll?

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I know that a lot about Jag pickups has already been posted, but I did some searches and didn't find exactly what I'm looking for. So, since my question is multi-part, I'll start at the beginning.

I have an AVRI Jag built in 2002. This is my only guitar, but it's my 5th Jaguar and it plays fantastic; however, it's not nearly as wet as the other Jags that I've had. The weird thing is that the pickups seem just as strong. They're also very balanced and I can even get some nice melodic feedback with them. The Jag is just very dry, which is quite annoying.

Also, I've been playing a lot more rock n roll and, as is the case with all Jags, they're not that great -- too thin sounding -- for rock n roll. None of my Jags made the best use of distortion for playing Link Wray songs.

I know that one option is to buy a second guitar, but I'm already taking my bass with me when I go out to play. I really don't want to have to take 3 different guitars with me. Even when I play with my friends who only play surf, we still like to play Link Wray and other heavier-style instros.

So, Seymour Duncan makes an SJAG2 pickup that seems like it might work, but I don't know anything about them. SD also makes an SJAG3, but I think that's too much for what I want. Plus, they aren't intended to be used with the claw and cover. So, can anyone tell me if the SD SJAG2 pickups will make my Jag more suitable for rock, while still doing surf? Also, do you think this will increase the wet factor?

Finally, from postings that I've read, it sounds like the 1 M pots in Jaguars affect the sound. I read somewhere a suggestion to switch the tone pot to 500 K and the volume pot to 250 K? What do you think? Should I perhaps try this before looking at new pickups?

Any comments or additional suggestions will be appreciated! Thanks!

You could start with getting a Super Pot from RS Guitar Works. http://tinyurl.com/252yjcv They are made like the older, and superior, pots. A true carbon track instead of impregnated plastic like most production guitars now use. The taper is optimized for use as a Volume control. They are also 280k, and are tested to be that value. Standard pots values are all over the place... very loose on the actual values. I would put in a 250k for the Tone control, and put in a good cap. I use Jensens. Get it here: http://tinyurl.com/2bsaqrw
I do this to all of my Jags now. Great for all kinds of music.

Tsunami_Tom
Also, I've been playing a lot more rock n roll and, as is the case with all Jags, they're not that great -- too thin sounding -- for rock n roll.

Have you tried rolling the tone pots down and re-equalizing your amp? Turning the bright switch off? It took me a couple years to figure this stuff out myself.

Thanks Dave. Great advice. Interesting, too. I'll do what you suggest.

Jake, I've experimented with pickup heights and amp and guitar settings to no avail. I know that rolling off the pots should be the same as changing their values, but when I do that, at some point the guitar takes on a dull sound. I'll keep experimenting though, in addition to changing the pots and capacitor. Much cheaper than changing the pickups, although I guess I could still do that at some point, if I don't get to where I want to be.

Thanks again!

Hey! I swapped the pots and capacitor as Dave suggested and thought that I'd give a report. My Jag's tone is fuller and richer. I like it a lot. Overall, it's the nicest sounding Jag I've owned. The one thing that is missing is that, due to the added warmth, the 5th and 6th strings are just a bit on the dull or muddy side. I'm just wondering about the capacitor that I used (see above). It's a .022 cap, which is similar to a Strat and, from what I've read, is a good choice, but the capacitor itself is gigantic. I had to move things around just to get it to fit. I don't know if that makes any difference or if it's even a consideration?

I'm also wondering if perhaps changing the tone pot from 250K to 500K would help to put the twang back into these lower strings?

Thanks again for the help!

Hey Tom, try lowering the pickups on the the low "E" side. The more you lower the pickups, the more "open" it will sound, and may help you to balance the tone, and volume level of all six strings respectively. Do this while plugged into your amp. ~ dave

I never tried a 500K... I would guess that it would be a sound heading back to some of the traits of a 1Meg pot... more drastic change from bright to dark when the Volume pot is turned down. I guess you are woundering about just changing the Tone pot to 500k? That might be a good idea! Let us know how that works if you try it. ~ dave

A couple of weeks ago, I ordered an Orange Drop .022mfd capacitor. So, I thought that I should try that first. Last night, I swapped it for the paper and oil .022 Jensen capacitor. That did take away the dullness from the lower strings and I'm very happy with the sound. The reverb on the lower stings is more dynamic, too.

That said, the Jensen cap really did give my Jag a lot of warm and woody tone. It was really nice. Now, although everything sounds really good, the higher strings don't have quite the same richness that they did with the Jensen cap.

When I get some energy together, just for fun, I'll try putting the Jensen cap back in and then replace the 250K tone pot with a 500K. It will be interesting to see what that does.

I'm amazed at what a difference the changed pots and caps make. Thanks Dave, for all the great advice. It will help me well into the future. As it is, my Jag is giving me the fuller sound that I wanted. It's my only guitar and I just got it a few months ago. Before that, I had a Mosrite for over seven years. I prefer the sound of the Jag; however, I did go ahead and order Seymour Duncan SJAG-2 pickups. Like I said, with the replaced pots and cap, the Jag is already more suited to other varieties of rock n roll, including rockabilly, that I like to play, but, perhaps due to playing the Mosrite for so many years, I want to try more powerful pickups. If I don't like them, I can always put the stock ones back in, because they sound really good.

In case anyone is interested, and also because I love talking about and thinking about my guitar, here's the mods that I've done or am doing to my Jag. It's a sunburst AVRI. First, as outlined in the posts above, I swapped out the 1m pots for 250K pots and swapped the capacitor for the .022 cap. Then, I bought some nice wood shims and cut them very carefully to fit the neck pocket. Now, the neck tilts at a better angle and, with the shims that taper all the way to the end of the neck pocket, there's no air space. I also got a Mustang bridge for it and my friend gave me a Buzz Stop that he's not using. The Jag plays totally amazing and has great tone as it is, but hopefully the Seymour Duncan SJAG2 pickups will add another dimension. Also, as I said, I'd like to try, at some point, putting the Jensen cap back in and replacing the 250K tone pot with a 500K.

Considering that I only have one guitar and one bass and only a couple of amps, they sure do keep me busy! I love it!!

Thanks again, Dave, for all your help!

That's great, Tom! I'm just glad you didn't say it's all Voodoo changing those parts. If you ever feel like taking it further, try a Mastery Bridge instead of the Mustang/Buzstop combo. The better sound, and much more stable tuning, I think, would be two reasons that make it worth a try. You got the RS Superpots, right? Those are great Volume pots. Let us know how the 500k work
~dave

Sounds (hahahahaha couldn't resist) like you are having a good time fiddling (hahahhahha once again) with your guitar and that's great. Somewhere around here I have posted the pooh out of my approach to this pot dealie.

On my Jazzmasters I tried every possible combo of things finally settling on the stock 1 meg volume pot, carefully chosen for a lot of sweep drag, bridge it with a 1 meg resistor and bridge the wiper to the output with a 1020 picofarad ceramic cap. This reduces a lot of the harshness and treble bite, and allows for a smooth reduction in volume without losing all the highs as you back off the volume. The guitar's tone stays nice and fat until you get to a very low level and we never back off that far anyway. I toyed with 250K values and gave up as they were shunting too much output to ground and my guitar sounded well, constipated.

All this is a breeze on a Jaguar and should be illegal because it's so easy to remove the control plate.

I too like the look of that Mastery bridge but have never ordered one as I machine my own bridge saddles out of brass bar stock, keeping the diameters of the individual saddles as large as the neck radius will allow me to. These home brew saddles will run with anything out there and they were fun to make. I briefly worked on a stainless steel set but gave up trying to thread the holes.

eddie katcher

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

What kind of 250K would you put in for tone control?

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For Tone control, just a normal CTS, or the The "Speedking Tonemaster" 250k Volume/Tone pot from http://www.glendaleguitars.com/tonecaps.htm

For Volume I've been using the RS Guitarworks Superpot, 280K.

SlacktoneDave
For Volume I've been using the RS Guitarworks Superpot, 280K.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm using, thanks to your initial suggestions.

Eddie, you make me not afraid to continue experimenting! That's great! The other night, I nearly burned down my house when my soldering iron fell off its holder and put a huge burn in the carpet in my den. Can't wait to see what further damage I can do!

Dave, thanks for the info, my jag took on a much richer / less edgy tone, and the volume pot has a much more linear taper that the factory. Thanks again.

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Last night, I traded the 250k tone pot for a 500k pot. At the same time, I put the .022 Jensen paper/oil cap back in. With the 500 pot, the Jensen cap is not too warm for my taste anymore. In fact, there is quite a lot more treble. The good thing about this is that the muted low E string really pops with reverb, which was missing with the first two mods that I did, and the tone control has more gradiations of settings available.

So, I’m pretty happy with everything. Here’s a summary of the process:

With stock pots and capacitors:

A thinner sound with more treble than what I wanted.

With 280k volume pot (Super Pot from RS Guitar Works) / 250k tone pot / .022mfd paper and oil Jensen capacitor:

Much improved, richer and warmer highs and mids. The lows were a bit dull to my ears.

With 280k volume pot (Super Pot from RS Guitar Works) / 250k tone pot / .022mfd Orange Drop capacitor

Highs and mids not as rich, added more treble to the lows and they weren’t as dull, but still no reverb “pop” on the low strings.

With 280k volume pot (Super Pot from RS Guitar Works) / 500k tone pot / .022mfd paper and oil Jensen capacitor:

The Jensen cap has brought back more richness and warmth to the highs and mids. The 500k tone pot has added more treble to the lows, which has restored the reverb “pop” to the low strings. Mids and highs are not as rich and warm as they were with the same configuration, except for a 250k tone pot. It seems to be a trade-off. Another nice thing about this configuration is that the tone pot is much more sensitive than any of the above configurations. It enables subtle changes, beginning at “9” and going all the way down. It can add a bit more warmth without adding dullness.

Thanks again, Dave, for your help. And thanks to everybody else.

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