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Permalink Has anyone built the AUSTIN Ribbon Microphone?

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http://rickshawrecords.com/ribbonmic/index.html

Has anyone attempted this project? How difficult was it to put together?

When Rick was in SF last month he said that this Mic might be featured in Wired magazine. They interviewed him and took his mic to test it in a studio against vintage ribbon mics.

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Hummmm...

You could buy a MXL ribbon for $99 from MF, not a kit.

I see a corrugated ribbon being used in the Austin. Royer holds a patent for that
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Ribbon mics are truly wonderful to record electric guitar. Especially if you are recording into digital gear.

Where might I find the specs to the Austin? I'd like to know what the spl might be.

dboomer
Hummmm...

You could buy a MXL ribbon for $99 from MF, not a kit.

I see a corrugated ribbon being used in the Austin. Royer holds a patent for that
Wink

Well, since I designed this mic...

Yes, you could buy a Chinese MXL for $99 or even less. I have, and haven't used them since I tested them out. Read about them online: Chinese parts, Chinese labor, Chinese quality... At about the same price as an all-USA sourced DIY kit (see below) ...Or less if you source the parts yourself through the links in my plans. My independently-tested specs speak for themselves.

Royer may indeed hold a patent on some kind of special type of corrugation, I don't know... But <u>ALL</u> ribbon mics have a corrugated ribbon to achieve a spring-tension on it. It's a fundamental design element of ribbon microphones and most of the basic patents expired years ago. (1930's technology)

I'm now testing the water with DIY Kits - All the parts delivered to you in one box.
Kits range from basic, un-milled parts, to machined chassis and high-end transformers. See my website for details.

No word on the Wired.com article... It's supposed to be out this week.

If you have questions, please write me at RickshawRecords@yahoo.com

  • Rickshaw

Complete DIY Ribbon Microphone plans available from:
www.RickshawRecords.com

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here...just because that's what I do sometimes...but dboomer has a point. The $99 MXL mics are decent regardless of the country of origin although I haven't personally tried the ribbons (just condenser).

I have your plans (bought a few months...or a year ago) but haven't gotten around to building one yet. Much of the appeal is the low price and the fact I'm drawn to DIY projects since I build all of my own gear. I plan to build one but it's in line behind the 18W Marshall I'm finishing up, a Vox AC15, and two Telecasters...

I think the kits are a fantastic idea but seem a bit expensive if you consider the time and effort I'd still have to put in to get a finished working product...but I know you have your time and effort you have to get compensated for too to make offering the kits worthwhile. I guess what I'm saying is that from my position if they were $75 I'd probably order one tonight to save me the hassle of sourcing parts from several different vendors. For $149 I'm not willing to mess with still having to cut my own screen holes and prep the chassis though...and it's REALLY not worth it to me to have to spend another $75 to get the chassis upgrade kit! $225 could buy any number of pre-assembled and tested microphones and allow me to spend my free time doing something else like practicing the guitar. -Just saying!

Regardless of my opinion though, it looks like you're successfully selling the kits...and that's all that's important! Thanks for offering another DIY option and good luck w/ the kits.

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Microphones are an odd thing. There are those, these days, who would say that the pre-amp is more important than the mic that's plugged into it. I wouldn't go that far but it's certainly true that a lot of the cheap Chinese stuff about can get great results.

Also - here's an interesting thing: a while ago I recorded a song and then did three takes of a lead vocal - one with each of:

  1. A brand new Sure SM58
  2. An expensive valve RODE large diaphragm condensor mic
  3. One of the very cheap new Sures that come in a bubble pack.

Then I played the results to a number of knowledgeable friends - the type of people who would spend hours nit-picking over the subtleties of various bits of gear. Needless to say, none of them could identify which was which - and I doubt I could now if I got that recording out.

Does this prove the pre-amp theory? (I used a decent one) .... I don't think so. I think that when you record at home placement and room acoustics tower over mic subtleties in terms of recorded quality. Most of us have no rooms that sound good because they are too small and its hard to lose those early reflections.

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I think the kits are a fantastic idea but seem a bit expensive if you consider the time and effort I'd still have to put in to get a finished working product... -Just saying!

Thanks for the feedback.

The current pricing is based on costs for my first run of 20 kits, and the custom-made parts SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the time and effort of ordering parts and building the mic. I can put one together in just a couple hours now. However, I understand about the perceived cost/benefit increase for a chassis upgrade. Again, great feedback that I am seriously listening to.

There is also an implied quality difference between "good" and "good for the money you've paid." I'd put the Austin design in the "Good" category.

During my research and development, I've been fortunate to acquire several >$1K ribbon microphones and many Chinese knockoffs. Believe me, the USA-made mics don't have to worry about competition from the Chinese manufacturers in terms of quality and sound... There is no comparison.

My "Basic Kit" is somewhere in the middle: It soundly trumps the $99 Chinese offerings, and the upgrade kits produce mics that rival some of the best name brands available.

Even my top-of-the-line kit is just $325 - 1/3 the cost of a $1000 mic! It's the combination of "good" and "affordable."

<u>OFFER:</u> People who have already bought my plans are entitled to $10 off any kit. You'll probably get an email soon (When I have time to compile an email list of previous customers!)

Also, I mostly agree with the above statements about preamps, but no preamp will "fix" a crappy input signal. The Acoustic guitar sample on my website was recorded with a budget $110 preamp, yet it gets the most positive comments.

  • Rickshaw

Complete DIY Ribbon Microphone plans available from:
www.RickshawRecords.com

Hey, thanks for providing us with plans and kits!!

I did (and it sounds like you took it that way) mean for my feedback to be constructive. I totally understand you setting your prices as needed to make it worth your while to offer the kits.

I think the kits are a great idea. Being pretty-much a complete DIY'er and into building nearly ALL my musical equipment, I've come to really appreciate the convenience and simplicity of not having to order and source all the parts individually. That being said, my personal downfall is I'm an insane cheap-ass and would rather save money so I have more in reserve for the next project (that I'm always planning even before finishing the last) Embarassed If I had a kit though, I'd finish the mic in a week...instead of in a year and a half (I think I've had the plans that long and haven't built one yet) so there's something to be said for that.

I have no doubt your mics can blow away the $99 Chinese mics too...

www.apollo4.com

Nice article! Always wanted a ribbon mic! Rickshaw that's a great kit! I don't have money at the moment but in the near future I'd love to order one of your kits! Just a quick question, $225 is just without the transformer?
If these mics can stand side-by-side with $1000 mics then this is a great offer!
Hope your second run will be cheaper! Very Happy

By the way, I haven't heard about MXL mics. $99 is nothing! Are these any good? Which MXL do you recommend?

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