Acoustic Surf?

revmike

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Posted on Dec 15 2009 01:37 PM

bmsurfcaster
you said do do

I indeed do do. That mistake is too funny to edit out. I'll leave it.

Rev

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synchro

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Posted on Dec 15 2009 01:55 PM

bmsurfcaster
you said do do

All the do do that's fit to print.

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Ariel

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 05:35 PM

And of course, DD king
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyvJ9v4Tou8&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=11&fmt=35
as usual, pushing his sig acoustic fender. BTW anyone here ever tried it? Sure sounds sweet to me, but it's HIS mighty fingers...

Also, I may have found it here:
THE ACOUSTIC SURF TONES - 'THE ISLAND OF LOST TIKIS'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_GmoNlbJKc&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=0&fmt=35

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 05:38 PM

DreadInBabylon
And of course, DD king
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyvJ9v4Tou8&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=11&fmt=35
as usual, pushing his sig acoustic fender. BTW anyone here ever tried it? Sure sounds sweet to me, but it's HIS mighty fingers...

Sounds pretty terrible in my opinion. Also, Fender acoustics are generally something to stay far away from.

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Ariel

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 06:34 PM

JakeDobner
Also, Fender acoustics are generally something to stay far away from.

(with respect, just gathering opinions and such...)
Really? Admitted, the sound of the video is certainly crappy, I wouldn't judge on that alone. And he claims it's his own design, wood choice etc., might be interesting and original, might be marketing crap. Have you tried it? anyone?

Cheers

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 06:47 PM

Yeah, the acoustic sounds dreadful. Granted one shouldn't play an acoustic like an electric guitar.

I've never tried one of those acoustics, but I've played a bunch of Fender acoustics. They are always completely underwhelming.

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Ariel

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 07:03 PM

Thx man

And here's the beforementioned California Guitar Trio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7xWUTEguIA&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=7&fmt=35

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echobeach

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 07:22 PM

This is the aussie contributoin to acoustic surf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6E7X4O8OvM&feature=related

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synchro

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 10:50 PM

JakeDobner
Yeah, the acoustic sounds dreadful. Granted one shouldn't play an acoustic like an electric guitar.

I've never tried one of those acoustics, but I've played a bunch of Fender acoustics. They are always completely underwhelming.

That is definitely not the right acoustic guitar for Surf IMO. I have an idea for an acoustic Surf sound but I'm not going to tell anybody until I can record it and get rich beyond my wildest dreams.

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Dec 27 2009 10:54 PM

The majority of "acoustic" surf makes the mistake of just picking up any old acoustic guitar and just playing the songs as they would on electric guitar. Very few changes to the arrangements, not thought to mic'ing or eq'ing the guitars.

I wouldn't want to play acoustic surf, but I can imagine some good tone for it, and how to get it, as well as how to arrange it.

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synchro

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Posted on Dec 28 2009 12:50 AM

JakeDobner
The majority of "acoustic" surf makes the mistake of just picking up any old acoustic guitar and just playing the songs as they would on electric guitar. Very few changes to the arrangements, not thought to mic'ing or eq'ing the guitars.

I wouldn't want to play acoustic surf, but I can imagine some good tone for it, and how to get it, as well as how to arrange it.

That's the way I see it too. IMHO, the electric guitar and the acoustic guitar are very different instruments much like a sporano sax and a clarinet are different instruments. The fingering chart may be the same but the approach has to be different.

This seems to especially hold true with regards to arrangning. The sustain characteristics of an acoustic are so very different from those of an electric that there has to be an allowance made in the arrangement. I remember having students come in and play Hard Rock creations on their dreadnaughts and it always sounded bad to my ear.

I actually do have an idea for some acoustic Surf and it's different from anything I heard on any recordings. At this point I haven't gotten far with the ideas because I need to sit down with my acoustic (which is currently 1,700 miles away) and woodshed it. The entire process is different from start to finish.

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elreydlp

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Posted on Dec 28 2009 10:20 AM

Jake, you and Synchro are on the money. The Duo-tones are mentioned in an early post. Their first CD-recorded by PJ is all-acoustic and is a masterpiece. Both PJ and Gil are master rhythm players and know where to add grace notes and embellishment to compenste for the reduced sustain of acoustic instruments.
I was disappointed when they started using electrics live-and especially when they went to the +2 format. In that form, they are just another (albeit great) surf band. The acoustics made them special.

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revmike Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3797 North Atlantic	Posted on Dec 15 2009 01:37 PM bmsurfcaster you said do do I indeed do do. That mistake is too funny to edit out. I'll leave it. Rev — Canadian Surf http://www.urbansurfkings.com/ Top
synchro Joined: Feb 02, 2008 Posts: 4425 Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.	Posted on Dec 15 2009 01:55 PM bmsurfcaster you said do do All the do do that's fit to print. — The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Dec 27 2009 05:35 PM And of course, DD king http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyvJ9v4Tou8&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=11&fmt=35 as usual, pushing his sig acoustic fender. BTW anyone here ever tried it? Sure sounds sweet to me, but it's HIS mighty fingers... Also, I may have found it here: THE ACOUSTIC SURF TONES - 'THE ISLAND OF LOST TIKIS' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_GmoNlbJKc&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=0&fmt=35 Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 27 2009 05:38 PM DreadInBabylon And of course, DD king http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyvJ9v4Tou8&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=11&fmt=35 as usual, pushing his sig acoustic fender. BTW anyone here ever tried it? Sure sounds sweet to me, but it's HIS mighty fingers... Sounds pretty terrible in my opinion. Also, Fender acoustics are generally something to stay far away from. Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Dec 27 2009 06:34 PM JakeDobner Also, Fender acoustics are generally something to stay far away from. (with respect, just gathering opinions and such...) Really? Admitted, the sound of the video is certainly crappy, I wouldn't judge on that alone. And he claims it's his own design, wood choice etc., might be interesting and original, might be marketing crap. Have you tried it? anyone? Cheers Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 27 2009 06:47 PM Yeah, the acoustic sounds dreadful. Granted one shouldn't play an acoustic like an electric guitar. I've never tried one of those acoustics, but I've played a bunch of Fender acoustics. They are always completely underwhelming. Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Dec 27 2009 07:03 PM Thx man And here's the beforementioned California Guitar Trio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7xWUTEguIA&feature=PlayList&p=EBDBE3D08680284C&index=7&fmt=35 Top
echobeach Joined: May 21, 2007 Posts: 220 Redland City, Australia	Posted on Dec 27 2009 07:22 PM This is the aussie contributoin to acoustic surf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6E7X4O8OvM&feature=related Top
synchro Joined: Feb 02, 2008 Posts: 4425 Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.	Posted on Dec 27 2009 10:50 PM JakeDobner Yeah, the acoustic sounds dreadful. Granted one shouldn't play an acoustic like an electric guitar. I've never tried one of those acoustics, but I've played a bunch of Fender acoustics. They are always completely underwhelming. That is definitely not the right acoustic guitar for Surf IMO. I have an idea for an acoustic Surf sound but I'm not going to tell anybody until I can record it and get rich beyond my wildest dreams. — The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 27 2009 10:54 PM The majority of "acoustic" surf makes the mistake of just picking up any old acoustic guitar and just playing the songs as they would on electric guitar. Very few changes to the arrangements, not thought to mic'ing or eq'ing the guitars. I wouldn't want to play acoustic surf, but I can imagine some good tone for it, and how to get it, as well as how to arrange it. Top
synchro Joined: Feb 02, 2008 Posts: 4425 Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.	Posted on Dec 28 2009 12:50 AM JakeDobner The majority of "acoustic" surf makes the mistake of just picking up any old acoustic guitar and just playing the songs as they would on electric guitar. Very few changes to the arrangements, not thought to mic'ing or eq'ing the guitars. I wouldn't want to play acoustic surf, but I can imagine some good tone for it, and how to get it, as well as how to arrange it. That's the way I see it too. IMHO, the electric guitar and the acoustic guitar are very different instruments much like a sporano sax and a clarinet are different instruments. The fingering chart may be the same but the approach has to be different. This seems to especially hold true with regards to arrangning. The sustain characteristics of an acoustic are so very different from those of an electric that there has to be an allowance made in the arrangement. I remember having students come in and play Hard Rock creations on their dreadnaughts and it always sounded bad to my ear. I actually do have an idea for some acoustic Surf and it's different from anything I heard on any recordings. At this point I haven't gotten far with the ideas because I need to sit down with my acoustic (which is currently 1,700 miles away) and woodshed it. The entire process is different from start to finish. — The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. Top
elreydlp Joined: Sep 04, 2009 Posts: 1800 Temecula, CA	Posted on Dec 28 2009 10:20 AM Jake, you and Synchro are on the money. The Duo-tones are mentioned in an early post. Their first CD-recorded by PJ is all-acoustic and is a masterpiece. Both PJ and Gil are master rhythm players and know where to add grace notes and embellishment to compenste for the reduced sustain of acoustic instruments. I was disappointed when they started using electrics live-and especially when they went to the +2 format. In that form, they are just another (albeit great) surf band. The acoustics made them special. Top

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