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Posted on Nov 05 2009 10:16 PM
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Posted on Nov 06 2009 12:23 AM
You needed pajamas to get in cause it was a pajama party. I didn't have any. They might have let me in with my boxers and Rat Fink Hat but after a day of fun at Oasis we were spent for the night. Tikiyaki rules! Here's a couple more to throw into the surf/exotica cauldron... Mystic Island Drums - The Surfaris Hawaiian War Chant - The Revelaires —BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! |
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Posted on Nov 10 2009 01:10 PM
here is the link to listen to tikiyaki on their site. Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on Nov 10 2009 01:19 PM
The rhythms remind me of one of my favorite albums Tambu by Cal Tjader and Charlie Byrd. I didn't realize that I was an Exotica fan until this thread. —The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. |
Joined: Jan 24, 2008 Posts: 376 Santa Monica, Ca.
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Posted on Nov 10 2009 10:59 PM
Chris Barfield has been writing a ton of songs in the exotica bend for Casino 66... (Crime jazz too.) Alert Argentina!! —Jeff Utterback |
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Posted on Nov 10 2009 11:30 PM
Thanks for the tip, I just ordered both of their CDs. I think that the fellow that started the thread is definitely onto something. There is some degree of tie-in between some Exotica some Surf music. In the Korla Pandit clips the percussive work he did on the lower manual reminds me of a Surf player muting and playing the drip of a reverb tank. The Pandit version of Miserlou I found especially compelling. What a strange and (sometimes) wonderful world we live in. —The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. |
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Posted on Nov 10 2009 11:35 PM
I'm listening to a Exotica podcast right now. some surf bands have done cool versions of that. —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on Nov 11 2009 09:53 PM
2 shows here, he has a guest Jeff Chenult (sp?) who is an authority on Exotica and Hawaiian music. very fun and informative shows Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Joined: Feb 02, 2008 Posts: 4318 Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Nov 11 2009 10:32 PM
Thanks. I'll be giving those a listen as soon as I get a chance. —The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. |
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Posted on Nov 12 2009 12:03 AM
BTW, has anybody mentioned "The Exotic Sounds of the Cocktail Preachers" on this thread? If not, I am. If so, well EXCUUUUUSE ME! Where's the arrow though the head emoticon when you need it? —Radio Free Bakersfield--60 Minutes of TWANG, CRUNCH, OOMPH. |
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Posted on Nov 12 2009 12:09 AM
yes, I agree, Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on Nov 12 2009 04:29 PM
Thanks for pointing this out, could you tell me who does the covers? "Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25488 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Nov 12 2009 07:57 PM
sorry brain fart moment, Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on Nov 17 2009 01:02 AM
Thru the magic of Google I was able to find a "surf" version or what I think would be refered to as surf or maybe it's pre surf. http://www.imeem.com/wo2csmchan/music/ZLZz-AW6/ventures-moon-of-manakoora/ I just wish I knew what to do with my strat and amp to get the sound they have. —"Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck |
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Joined: Feb 02, 2008 Posts: 4318 Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Nov 17 2009 10:53 AM
Practice like a sonofagun and you'll get there. Most of what you are hearing comes down to good technique . . . and a bit of tremolo. The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. |
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Posted on Nov 18 2009 12:17 AM
yeah I like both but from looking at the records and reading books on both that's kind of what it seems like. There was a little bleed-through but they seemed like separate phenomena happening in different social circles and even the side-related culture seemed pretty exclusive from each other. Unless we include pet sounds in surf. I don't know too much about their stated influences but it makes a lot of sense to me... — |
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Posted on Nov 29 2009 12:35 AM
Uh-huh. I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing. |
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Posted on Nov 29 2009 03:58 AM
The soundtrack from Hell's Belles with Les Baxter rules! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIA-vQC-k88&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZ3iQrS9vA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh9hR0uJDqE&feature=related
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Posted on Nov 29 2009 11:41 AM
Ive thought a lot about this thread over the last few weeks and feel that the initial posit is right on target. The common threads between Surf music and Exotica are easy to hear. Starting with the telescriptions of Korla Pandit a practice of using an instrument unconventionally seems to have evolved. Mr. Pandits use of the lower manual as a percussion instrument strikes me as a precursor to muted strings playing into a dripping reverb tank. The deliberate precision of his melody playing reminds me of the way it feels to play the lead line in a Surf song. Somehow I get the feeling that if Korla Pandit had been stranded on a desert island and a load of Fender gear from 1962 washed up on shore (along with a source of electricity) he would have come up with something very similar to the mellow side of Surf music. I dont like to spend a lot of time and energy building fences between musical genres because those fences seldom stand for long. It is my long held opinion that all music is a product of what has come before it even if only by virtue of exclusion. The people that were leading the charge of Surf music in the early 60s had been exposed to the music of the 40s and 50s and they could not have helped but account this into the music they created. Some things were excluded, you didnt hear a lot of big band influence in Surf music for example, but other things were incorporated whether consciously or not. At roughly the same time as Surf music came along similar sounds were used in movie Westerns and spy flicks. All had individual traits yet there was a lot in common among these types. In my opinion all of these musical types had an element of Exotica within. Listening to Frankie and the Poolboys CD Ewa On The Beach strikes me as an example of the durability of the Exotica/Surf tie-in. If you played that song for Korla Pandits audience in the early 50s I doubt that anyone would be surprised by what they were hearing (although the instruments it was played on may have seemed a trifle to futuristic for the average person in 1951). I listened to the Ventures classical album (Joy) and their Latin album while riding my bike recently and was struck by the similarities to Exotica, especially on the Latin album. It was just a taste here and there but to me the link was obvious. The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. |
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Posted on Nov 29 2009 12:43 PM
I do hear echoes of exotica in The Huntington Cads as well---but I think it is more by way of Samba and other Latin influences, which some of their music _shares _with exotica, rather than from "Exotica or lounge music directly. Just my opinion, but I think it's one of the elements that make their music so enjoyable.. |
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