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Wish I could have taken a look at Tikiyaki at TO9 but couldn't get in the room.

"Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck

BeachBumScott
Wish I could have taken a look at Tikiyaki at TO9 but couldn't get in the room.

You needed pajamas to get in cause it was a pajama party. I didn't have any. They might have let me in with my boxers and Rat Fink Hat but after a day of fun at Oasis we were spent for the night. Tikiyaki rules!

Here's a couple more to throw into the surf/exotica cauldron...

Mystic Island Drums - The Surfaris

Hawaiian War Chant - The Revelaires

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here is the link to listen to tikiyaki on their site.
http://www.tikiyakiorchestra.com/listen.htm

Jeff(bigtikidude)

The rhythms remind me of one of my favorite albums Tambu by Cal Tjader and Charlie Byrd. I didn't realize that I was an Exotica fan until this thread.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

Chris Barfield has been writing a ton of songs in the exotica bend for Casino 66... (Crime jazz too.)

Alert Argentina!!

Jeff Utterback

bigtikidude
here is the link to listen to tikiyaki on their site.
http://www.tikiyakiorchestra.com/listen.htm

Thanks for the tip, I just ordered both of their CDs.

I think that the fellow that started the thread is definitely onto something. There is some degree of tie-in between some Exotica some Surf music. In the Korla Pandit clips the percussive work he did on the lower manual reminds me of a Surf player muting and playing the drip of a reverb tank. The Pandit version of Miserlou I found especially compelling. What a strange and (sometimes) wonderful world we live in.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

I'm listening to a Exotica podcast right now.
and they played "Moon of Manakora"

some surf bands have done cool versions of that.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

2 shows here,
the Vibe player for tikiyaki does a podcast called "The Quiet Village"

he has a guest Jeff Chenult (sp?) who is an authority on Exotica and Hawaiian music.

very fun and informative shows
part 1
http://www.digitiki.com/podcast/QuietVillage23.m4a
and pt 2
http://www.digitiki.com/podcast/QuietVillage24.m4a

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Thanks. I'll be giving those a listen as soon as I get a chance.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

BTW, has anybody mentioned "The Exotic Sounds of the Cocktail Preachers" on this thread? If not, I am. If so, well EXCUUUUUSE ME!

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BTW, has anybody mentioned "The Exotic Sounds of the Cocktail Preachers" on this thread? If not, I am. If so, well EXCUUUUUSE ME!

Where's the arrow though the head emoticon when you need it?

yes, I agree,
and also,
one of the first surf cds I got was by the Aqua Velvets.
on the back the review said Dick Dale meets Martin Denny.
I don't know if I agree with that comparison,
but it is definitely surf meets exotica.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

bigtikidude
I'm listening to a Exotica podcast right now.
and they played "Moon of Manakora"

some surf bands have done cool versions of that.

Thanks for pointing this out, could you tell me who does the covers?
I have alot of "Hawaiian" versions and play it on my Ukulele but have never heard a "Surf" version!!!

"Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck

sorry brain fart moment,
if anyone else can chime in an answer this for him,
I'd appreciate it.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Thru the magic of Google I was able to find a "surf" version or what I think would be refered to as surf or maybe it's pre surf.
It's done by the Ventures who in my uneducated past were thought of as a "Surf" band.

http://www.imeem.com/wo2csmchan/music/ZLZz-AW6/ventures-moon-of-manakoora/

I just wish I knew what to do with my strat and amp to get the sound they have.

"Maybe there aren't any surf bands; there's only surf music?" Tuck

BeachBumScott
I just wish I knew what to do with my strat and amp to get the sound they have.

Practice like a sonofagun and you'll get there. Most of what you are hearing comes down to good technique . . . and a bit of tremolo. Smile

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

Klas
I'm a big fan of the genre and agree that there are similarities even though exotica mainly attracted adults while surf music obviously was more for teenagers.

yeah I like both but from looking at the records and reading books on both that's kind of what it seems like. There was a little bleed-through but they seemed like separate phenomena happening in different social circles and even the side-related culture seemed pretty exclusive from each other.

Unless we include pet sounds in surf. I don't know too much about their stated influences but it makes a lot of sense to me...

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Klas
I'm a big fan of the genre and agree that there are similarities even though exotica mainly attracted adults while surf music obviously was more for teenagers.

Uh-huh.
What could be more mainstream adult than, say, Bali Hai from South Pacific.
Also, Surf was no doubt easier for teens to play, with the resources they had.

I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing.

The soundtrack from Hell's Belles with Les Baxter rules! Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIA-vQC-k88&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZ3iQrS9vA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh9hR0uJDqE&feature=related

drumuitar
I'm a major Exotica fan, especially Les Baxter. I'd definitely say that surf has ties to exotica...although maybe not directly or even known by the players. A lot of the rhythms of both are often derived from the same roots.

Here's a trippy one for you: Korla Pandit, the guy who is kind of the originator of exotica:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR3oai78Tqw

and his version of Miserlou:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ytSC8rz84

I’ve thought a lot about this thread over the last few weeks and feel that the initial posit is right on target. The common threads between Surf music and Exotica are easy to hear. Starting with the “telescriptions” of Korla Pandit a practice of using an instrument unconventionally seems to have evolved. Mr. Pandit’s use of the lower manual as a percussion instrument strikes me as a precursor to muted strings playing into a dripping reverb tank. The deliberate precision of his melody playing reminds me of the way it feels to play the lead line in a Surf song. Somehow I get the feeling that if Korla Pandit had been stranded on a desert island and a load of Fender gear from 1962 washed up on shore (along with a source of electricity) he would have come up with something very similar to the mellow side of Surf music.

I don’t like to spend a lot of time and energy building fences between musical genres because those fences seldom stand for long. It is my long held opinion that all music is a product of what has come before it even if only by virtue of exclusion. The people that were leading the charge of Surf music in the early ‘60s had been exposed to the music of the ‘40s and ‘50s and they could not have helped but account this into the music they created. Some things were excluded, you didn’t hear a lot of big band influence in Surf music for example, but other things were incorporated whether consciously or not.

At roughly the same time as Surf music came along similar sounds were used in movie Westerns and spy flicks. All had individual traits yet there was a lot in common among these types. In my opinion all of these musical types had an element of Exotica within. Listening to Frankie and the Poolboys CD “Ewa On The Beach” strikes me as an example of the durability of the Exotica/Surf tie-in. If you played that song for Korla Pandit’s audience in the early ‘50s I doubt that anyone would be surprised by what they were hearing (although the instruments it was played on may have seemed a trifle to futuristic for the average person in 1951).

I listened to the Ventures classical album (Joy) and their Latin album while riding my bike recently and was struck by the similarities to Exotica, especially on the Latin album. It was just a taste here and there but to me the link was obvious.
I had earlier mentioned the Cal Tjader/Charlie Byrd recording entitled Tambu but I think that a great deal of Cal Tjader’s Latin/Jazz recordings would have something to offer to fans of Exotica. I guess that this is as good a place as any to end today’s rant because it serve to reinforce my point about not building fences between musical types. Who would have ever guessed that a Chicagoan of Swedish extraction taking a leading role in the world of Latin Jazz.

The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

BoardwalkerJeff
Chris Barfield has been writing a ton of songs in the exotica bend for Casino 66... (Crime jazz too.)

Alert Argentina!!

I do hear echoes of exotica in The Huntington Cads as well---but I think it is more by way of Samba and other Latin influences, which some of their music _shares _with exotica, rather than from "Exotica or lounge music directly. Just my opinion, but I think it's one of the elements that make their music so enjoyable..

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