terrafirma
Joined: Aug 23, 2009
Posts: 44
Brookings, South Dakota
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 09:03 AM
Dear Surf Guitarists!
I'm interested in what you do to practice the guitar (or, your instrument if its not the guitar)? Do you work on scales (if so, which ones?); practice different chord inversions; work on new techniques; do you work on learning new songs? Are you working out of a particular methods book (if so, which)? Or, do you just sit down and play and let whatever comes to mind go to your fingers?
What about amount of time spent in practice? Do you schedule daily practice time? If so, do you break it up in a systematic way (e.g., 30 minutes on scales, 30 minutes on new songs?).
Thanks for your input!
— Sonic Screwdriver
http://www.sonicscrewdriverband.com
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morphball
Joined: Dec 23, 2008
Posts: 3324
Pittsboro, NC
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 09:46 AM
I'm not exactly proud of this, but I personally have no interest in practicing scales and chords, or learning about method and theory from guitar books. As a result, I cannot read music, and have to struggle a bit to essentially re-invent established chords and scales when learning by ear. I play every day (usually unplugged) for anywhere from a few 10 minute sessions to 2+ hours; I used to do the regime thing, but now I just do it when I have the time and energy. The only regime I suppose I have is that after I've successfully learned and practiced a song, I like to move on to another one (not to stagnate), averaging about 1-3 per month depending on complexity.
— Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio
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elreydlp
Joined: Sep 04, 2009
Posts: 1800
Temecula, CA
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 10:19 AM
Practice-WAZZAT? We don't need no stinking PRACTICE!
Seriously, find someone with similar interests and PLAY. Way back when I first started (and dinosaurs walked the Earth) I was fortunate to have an old neighbor who already knew all the stuff I wanted to learn. During the Summer, I spent 12-18 hours a day at his house playing. I should mention that both of his parents were deaf, so we could play as loud (relative, considering my 5 watt Skylark amp & his Silvertone amp-in-case) and late as we wanted.
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Rob_J
Joined: Sep 29, 2007
Posts: 500
Sacto, CA
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 11:40 AM
morphball
I'm not exactly proud of this, but I personally have no interest in practicing scales and chords, or learning about method and theory from guitar books.
I guess I'd put myself in this same boat. Formal methods bore me to death. If I'd have been forced to "learn by the book" in my early stages, I wouldn't still be playing guitar today. But, that's just me.
Applause goes out to those who have the discipline and desire to suffer through the rigors of structured training. It will take you long way toward mastering any instrument.
Elrey is right on point in recommending playing with others whenever possible. I've learned more playing in a band where you MUST learn complete songs than I learned in decades of noodling aimlessly at home.
So, my method is picking out songs, taking them apart and trying to figure them out in sections, paying attention to what each player is doing. I often use a "slow downer" method to play a song slow enough to be able to hear what is happening, and then see if I can repeat it myself.
I do play everyday - sometimes for just a few minutes to work out a particular passage in a song, sometimes for an hour or so playing along with a CD or to backing tracks, and twice a week for three to four hours in rehearsal with my band.
Whatever the method, playing each day for whatever time you can set aside is important. It's OK to let a portion of your practice time be just farting around but also, give yourself small goals to work towards, attain those goals, and add more.
Everyone is different and the same approach may not work for everybody, but as the old Nike commercials used to say = "just do it".
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badash
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Posts: 1732
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 11:54 AM
I come up with a progression I like the sound of and use my Delay pedal (DL4) to record a short loop and play over that. It's not a real looper so it only does a short loop (14 or 16 seconds, can't remember) so sometimes if it's a long and complicated progression I can't even fit the whole "A" section and I can only play one chord for the loop, play over that for a few bars, then loop the next, play over that, then loop the next, play over that...
When I feel I'm getting stale, I learn something new and really challenging. That kind of cleans out the "cache" and my noodling goes off in a different direction.
I did scales and modes religiously 20, 30 years ago. It's good for you, but I don't want to do that anymore. And I'm a grown assed man. If I don't wanna, I ain't gonna...
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4538
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 06:00 PM
terrafirma
Dear Surf Guitarists!
I'm interested in what you do to practice the guitar (or, your instrument if its not the guitar)? Do you work on scales (if so, which ones?); practice different chord inversions; work on new techniques; do you work on learning new songs? Are you working out of a particular methods book (if so, which)? Or, do you just sit down and play and let whatever comes to mind go to your fingers?
What about amount of time spent in practice? Do you schedule daily practice time? If so, do you break it up in a systematic way (e.g., 30 minutes on scales, 30 minutes on new songs?).
Thanks for your input!
The best practice regime I can imagine is to learn several ways to play each major and minor scale in all 12 keys, include inversions of triads etc and rotate the key from day to day. The starting point is The Johnny Smith Approach to Guitar.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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Ruhar
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 3909
San Diego, CA
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 06:46 PM
When I was in high school, I used to lock myself in my room for 6-8 hours a day and learn Otis Rush, Freddie King, Albert Collins, etc... tunes note for note. That, without a doubt, helped me to be competent on the guitar.
These days I can't really do that, so I'll usually work on new tunes I have ideas for or if a show is coming up, I'll play my tunes to stay sharp. Once in a while, I'll work on someone else's stuff. I'm currently working on Phil Baugh's Dry Camel; which is teaching me something new. I do still try and practice/play at least an hour or two a day; more on the weekends.
Some people have strong ideas about practice regimens. For example, Jim Campilongo (one of my favorite current guitarists) says that he has to have a goal in mind when practicing and that he doesn't just sit there and noodle on the guitar. I tend to agree with that (although I don't always adhere to it). It seems like a good way to force yourself to continuously learn/improve.
— Ryan
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5319
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 07:59 PM
ruhar.. ....did Jim Campilongo play on a nora jones cd?
— www.surfintheeye.com
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PhatTele
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
Posts: 445
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 08:29 PM
Yup...check out The Little Willies
Lee Alexander (bass), Norah Jones (piano/vocals), Richard Julian (guitar/vocals), Dan Rieser (drums), and Jim Campilongo (guitar)
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Ruhar
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 3909
San Diego, CA
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 08:32 PM
mom_surfing
ruhar.. ....did Jim Campilongo play on a nora jones cd?
He was in a band called The Little Willies with Norah Jones. She also sings on Criy Me a River on his Heaven is Creepy album.
— Ryan
The Secret Samurai Website
The Secret Samurai on Facebook
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5319
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 08:37 PM
i thought so. i went to a music workshop a few years ago and he was the special guest in one of the classes. our class was invited in. i'd never heard of him before but his command of that tele was impressive.
— www.surfintheeye.com
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4538
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 08:37 PM
Ruhar
Some people have strong ideas about practice regimens. For example, Jim Campilongo (one of my favorite current guitarists) says that he has to have a goal in mind when practicing and that he doesn't just sit there and noodle on the guitar. I tend to agree with that (although I don't always adhere to it). It seems like a good way to force yourself to continuously learn/improve.
I definitely can relate to that. After 45 years of playing I don't "practice" much these days. I may run a few scales and arpeggios to keep my technique intact but mostly I work it into my playing. I tend to use the three octave arppegios I learned from the Smith method in my playing so I keep them up naturally that way. The problem is, when I'm not preparing for a gig (gigs are fairly rare these days) I don't have much reason to play. Catch 22. 
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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RecRoomSurfer
Joined: Sep 19, 2008
Posts: 206
Canada, eh?
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Posted on Sep 26 2009 08:54 PM
Ruhar
Jim Campilongo (one of my favorite current guitarists) .
I wasn't familiar with Jim Campilongo so I checked out some youtube stuff. I think I'm going to like him. Reminded me for some reason of Bill Frisell (whom I like alot), maybe his touch or the jazzy variations on a theme approach. Thanks!
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elreydlp
Joined: Sep 04, 2009
Posts: 1800
Temecula, CA
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Posted on Sep 27 2009 10:41 AM
Jim Campilongo and the Ten Gallon Cats is one of my favorite CD's. BTW, Ryan-I really enjoyed your set at the Convention in Los Alamitos. We should get together sometime. I'm in the San Diego area as well.
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RK
Joined: Sep 25, 2009
Posts: 127
Montreal, Kwee-bec
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Posted on Sep 28 2009 08:44 AM
I'm working through Chords & Progressions for Jazz & Popular Guitar by Arnie Berle. I bought it last January and I'm not very far into it. I'm using it to improve my technique and understanding, so I don't feel rushed at all. For the first time I find that practice is yielding noticeable results. Doing the exercises also frees me somewhat from feeling I have to master actual performances, and realize that that will come a little easier later on.
I don't have any sort of schedule. I do have one guitar tastefully on display in the living room upstairs and another in the music area downstairs, so that when a few minutes present themselves I can just do it. Oh yeah, there's one at work, too, for lunch hour practicing.
A practice tip I learned on the 'net, and the one I find the most valuable, is to practice what you don't know, not what you do. In other words, don't waste time playing the (fun) part of the song you already know, and then stumble at the hard part, and then start over from the easy part again. If you're practicing, just practice the hard part over and over again. For example, my book shows a chord progression as part of learning new chords. Well, the first transition is Gmaj7-Gmaj6. These are new chords for me, so I've just been practicing going from one to the other for the past couple of weeks. I do play other things as well, but I realize that practicing these chord transitions is the most useful.
I don't know if this is obvious or not, but a music stand is a great study aid. It puts your books, sheet music, and tabs just where you need them. Not on your knee, not spread out on the floor.
I use tabs. I also practice from sheet music, which is another skill that improves. If I can't find tabs or staff, sometimes there's a midi file that you can convert to tabs or sheet music using Tuxguitar.
RK
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4538
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Sep 28 2009 10:15 AM
Good advice RK.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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DuaneEddysMum
Joined: Sep 30, 2009
Posts: 47
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Posted on Oct 01 2009 10:49 AM
My rule of thumb was....if I was enjoying it I would do it....if I wasnt it becomes a chore and no point.
You wont improve by doing something simply because you feel you should...the important thing is you must be in the mood and want to do it...chords,scales,a new piece whatever.
Having said that Band practise is something else you have to do it regardless.
Segovia practiced 5/6 hours every day almost till his death...which came in his 80's.
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badash
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Posts: 1732
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Posted on Oct 01 2009 11:07 AM
RK
I don't know if this is obvious or not, but a music stand is a great study aid
RK
Yeah. We just need a post in the gear section about where to get a good one Seriously, I just want one of those black solid back sturdy ones I had in High School and College. I haven't run across one worth a darn since then...
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Bilge_Rat
Joined: Apr 20, 2009
Posts: 320
Toronto, Ontario Canada
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Posted on Oct 01 2009 11:21 AM
I make myself just play guitar, plugged in or not. Sheet music or noodling for a MINIMUM of 1 hour per day. Everyday. Right now being in college and having a ton of free time I'm averaging 3 to 4 hours a day practicing and writing. you'll be shocked at your own progression if you stick to a daily routine!
— formerly SvD, bots.... member since 2006. Same game different name!
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RK
Joined: Sep 25, 2009
Posts: 127
Montreal, Kwee-bec
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Posted on Oct 01 2009 02:15 PM
RK wrote:
I don't know if this is obvious or not, but a music stand is a great study aid
RK
Yeah. We just need a post in the gear section about where to get a good one Seriously, I just want one of those black solid back sturdy ones I had in High School and College. I haven't run across one worth a darn since then...
Vintage trumps contemporary yet again.
RK
— RK
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