After listening to all the mega-cool sounds to be found here I want a reverb unit. I'm not sure where to start looking. Does it have to be Fender? What features are desirable? What would the holy grail of reverb units be down to OK but useable? thanks for your help.
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my quest for a reverb unit
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Joined: Oct 25, 2006 Posts: 26 Tucson Arizona |
Posted on Nov 07 2006 09:37 AM
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 11:16 AM
Yes. Or a direct copy of the Fender model 6G15 . The RI units come up for good prices on e-bay now and then. Spend the dough, its worth it. — |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california 
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 11:23 AM
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 11:31 AM
You can get used reissue units for fairly reasonable prices these days (I picked one up for $295 not too long ago). If you replace the reverb pan with a 3-spring version ($20) and change the power tube from a 6V6 to a vintage correct 6K6 ($10 - $15), you'll have a unit which will sound every bit as good as a vintage one...and for a lot less money. |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 01:06 PM
I do not believe changing the pan to a 3-spring version will replicate the vintage sound. |
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 02:18 PM
I'm finding that, in general, the newer 2-spring pans don't sound as warm and lush as the ones that you find in amps and reverb units from the late 70s or earlier. So, to me, switching the Reissue's pan to a 3-spring version makes the unit sound better overall because you end up with a richer sounding reverb and a broader range of tones. In other words, I find it hard to get a vintage tone out of a new 2-spring pan whereas I know I can nail it using a 3-spring pan. Of course, your milage may vary... |
Joined: Mar 15, 2006 Posts: 1487 San Francisco
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 04:18 PM
Based on the limited experience I've had with a 3-spring pan, I tend to agree with Jake on this one. I found them to be awfully "ringy" and when really present, I found that it got in the way of the guitar signal, rather than augmenting it the way it is supposed to. I will, however, give full backing to the 6K6 swap for the new tanks, and also rever you to the "Top Web Links" at the left for link #4 which is the now-famous cap. mod as laid out by Dick Messick, I think those two swaps will make your tank sound far closer to vintage than switching pans. I have both an original '66 and reissue with both the tube and cap switches done, and half the time I'd be pressed to tell the difference. But I ain't gonna open THAT can of worms.... ~B~ |
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 08:44 PM
Get a uncle spot reverb unit. there is nothing better! thats right, i said nothing better. Fender reissue reverbs are just plain crap. |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 09:14 PM
Yes, 2-spring pans don't sound as lush as onboard reverb on amps, and I cannot comment on late-70s reverb units. The fender reverb sound in surf music isn't the onboard reverb sound. It is the two-spring reverb unit sound. |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 5305 the outer banks of north carolina 
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 09:16 PM
uh-oh |
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 09:23 PM
I'm putting a stick into water? No stirring the pot intended. |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 5305 the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 09:27 PM
i meant the pot stirrer to come up here |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 09:44 PM
I see. And in response the the person stirring the pot. The reissues don't suck unless you've had one crap out on you. Personally, I've never had one crap out on me. Some sound great, some don't. |
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11053 Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 09:48 PM
Rockfish, any specifics on why you like the Uncle Spot reverb so much? I don't live to far from him, I may want to check it out. —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
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Joined: Apr 21, 2006 Posts: 265 San Antonio, TX |
Posted on Nov 07 2006 10:06 PM
Your quest ends wence thy recieveth the holy grail. <img src="klzzwxh:0000"></img> |
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Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11053 Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Nov 07 2006 10:13 PM
The ad says: Divine reverb for mere mortals Down from the heavens comes the Holy Grail, a compact digital reverb guitar pedal. Priced so low thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's reverb tank any longer. The Holy Grail will make you a believer with its emulation of classic Spring reverb so faithful that even Dick Dale couldn't tell the difference. Next, get lost in the lush spaciousness of the Hall reverb and ask yourself, "How did they fit Notre Dame into such a small package?" Finally, reach enlightenment with the haunting Flerb. I own this unit, trust me. Dick Dale could tell, in fact Dick Dale's Dead grandmother could tell the difference. It's fine for dripless reverb though. —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands
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Posted on Nov 08 2006 04:48 AM
who'd have guessed? reverb tanks have been discussed before! so go and read the gospel: tank thread So, this must be the 10th Reverb Tank Thread! Rules to live by #314: |
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Posted on Nov 08 2006 07:37 AM
btw, to the original poster, just checked your myspace page. nice! I like the flying V. (though purist might object ) ... funny band-description. and some very cool tunes! WR —Rules to live by #314: |
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Posted on Nov 08 2006 08:58 AM
It's all a matter of experimentation... BTW - When I say "pan," I mean the actual Accutronics contraption holding the springs, not the whole outboard unit. So, back to my earlier comment: I'm finding that something is up with the new Accutronics pans. They don't sound as sweet as the ones you find in older combo amps or outboard reverb units. When I'm repairing an amp with a broken reverb pan, I'll try to get the old pan working first before putting in a new one because, even though they're cheap to replace, I know the new one will sound "plinky-er"...for the lack of a better term. Unfortunately, they can be a pain to fix sometimes. |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Nov 08 2006 09:37 AM
I know what you are talking about. And I'm telling you that a reverb unit isn't supposed to sound like the onboard reverb of a combo amp. If it was everybody would be using Twins or some other amp with onboard reverb. |
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