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My wife really digs instro-surf music too.

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One big difference between surf and rockabilly: lots more improvising in rockabilly than surf. Surf is mostly...memorized. That's why surf is more challenging for me than rockabilly.

dan
One big difference between surf and rockabilly: lots more improvising in rockabilly than surf. Surf is mostly...memorized. That's why surf is more challenging for me than rockabilly.

That was also the opinion of Frankie Blandino, who besides fronting the Fathoms also fronted a great rockabilly band the Cranktones. Frankie is an amazing guitarist and musician (also a really good steel guitar player). I talked to him about this sometime in the nineties, and he said that rockabilly is much easier cause he can just improvise, and he's a good improviser. But with surf, if he gets one note wrong in the pattern it throws off his entire muscle memory and he'll botch the entire line! I think we've all been there....

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That was also the opinion of Frankie Blandino, who besides fronting the Fathoms also fronted a great rockabilly band the Cranktones. Frankie is an amazing guitarist and musician (also a really good steel guitar player). I talked to him about this sometime in the nineties, and he said that rockabilly is much easier cause he can just improvise, and he's a good improviser. But with surf, if he gets one note wrong in the pattern it throws off his entire muscle memory and he'll botch the entire line! I think we've all been there....

Ivan

Ivan,
It's interesting that you say this... I have the Crank-Tones CD, and it is some pretty phenomenal stuff.

Also, the rhythm guitarist from The Fathoms, whose name escapes me, was (as I recall) the replacement guitarist for the now defunct Providence-based Rockabilly band "The Amazing (Royal) Crowns". If that is indeed correct, and he's the guitarist on their live album, he absolutely SHREDS on the big ol' hollowbody Gretsch.

~B~

IvanP

dan
One big difference between surf and rockabilly: lots more improvising in rockabilly than surf. Surf is mostly...memorized. That's why surf is more challenging for me than rockabilly.

That was also the opinion of Frankie Blandino, who besides fronting the Fathoms also fronted a great rockabilly band the Cranktones. Frankie is an amazing guitarist and musician (also a really good steel guitar player). I talked to him about this sometime in the nineties, and he said that rockabilly is much easier cause he can just improvise, and he's a good improviser. But with surf, if he gets one note wrong in the pattern it throws off his entire muscle memory and he'll botch the entire line! I think we've all been there....

Ivan

I always thought really good traditional rockabilly/country guitar was much harder than really traditional surf guitar. I can rip through Squad Car and 100 other traditional surf songs, and I can pick them out by ear from a record within about 10 mins. On the other hand I could spend all day trying to figure out some Jimmy Bryant runs or some of Cliff Gallups breaks and make no head way. Some rockabilly "rhythm" guitar, if the guitarist is playing travis style or any other conglomeration of 2 or more fingers I think is more difficult than doing any sort of "astronauts" rhythms, but this is all IMO.

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my feelings about chick flicks and romance novels Puke

Sorry. No mean to offend. Embarassed

I guess I should have said MOST (in my own personal experience, as I have no actual numerical hard data to prove any of this - your results may vary) chicks dig songs over tunes. MOST (in my own personal experience, as I have no actual numerical hard data to prove any of this - your results may vary) want lyrics they can sing along with. MOST (in my own personal experience, as I have no actual numerical hard data to prove any of this - your results may vary) want a story. MOST (in my own personal experience, as I have no actual numerical hard data to prove any of this - your results may vary) want something they can latch onto emotionally. That's why MOST (in my own personal experience, as I have no actual numerical hard data to prove any of this - your results may vary) dig romance novels and chick flicks. Instrumental music reminds MOST (in my own personal experience, as I have no actual numerical hard data to prove any of this - your results may vary) of them of instruments, which is about gear, and whether it's guitars and amps, or bikes or hotrods, according to my wife (and pretty much every other girl I've ever known) -- "that stuff is boring." This is all just in my own personal experience, and what I've observed from playing for 30 years.

No mean to offend women who like surf, guitars, amps, bikes and hotrods. Are there plenty that do? Of course! Obviously, every generalization has exceptions, and for that, I am grateful. Oh yeah, my wife digs our surf. It's the "gear talk" that she say she finds boring. My bad for being unclear there. And yep, she also loves romance novels, chick flicks and songs with actual lyrics, too. Oh -- loves SCOTS, too.

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My point was merely to say that surf bands that do only that tend to suffer from some of the same things shredder guitar bands do - too many gawking gearhead guys and not enough of a female following (with exceptions, of course). Exposing great surf music to a crossover audience that's there to hear other stuff like RAB, etc., is important, IMO.

We had a blast playing Exotica in Chicago last year, but from talking to a lot of people there, by the end of the day, many said they were surfed out. Several I talked to said they'd have liked a bit more diversity, yet still be within the general retro thing.

TJW

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Kanekila

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momsurfing_
my feelings about chick flicks and romance novels Puke

Sorry. No mean to offend. Embarassed

TJW

hey, no offence taken. i know i'm one of a very small group of females that is interested in the gear talk, etc. plus i've participated in a male dominated sport for years so i'm used to being a little 'different'.

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This was a exerpt from my shout box review of a band that played with the Infrareds.

1st band Rockin Rose and the Rhythm boys, Great rockabilly band with Strat and reverb tank and Twin, they did 4 or 5 instro thru their set of Rockabilly vocals, definetly check them out if you get the chance.
Perfect mix of Rockabilly songs with rippin Surf licks and sound.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Jeff(bigtikidude)

kanekila
but from talking to a lot of people there, by the end of the day, many said they were surfed out.

TJW

Yet another reason for a surf band to play on non-surf bills. It happens in all genres (ever been to a bluegrass festival?).

As awesome as a wet 'verbed out guitar tone sounds, after 3-4 surf bands in a row, it looses it's novelty. Same with rockabilly (as much as I love slap bass, I don't think I would enjoy a whole weekend of it).

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Sometimes I do 3 to 5 surf shows on a weekend,many of them multiple band bills.
but then the following week I don't listen to surf at all.
either talk radio or rock of some sort , or Exotica.
just to dry out from all the wet reveb.

yes aftar awile it all starts to blur toghether, but somebody has to go to the shows, or the band will be playing to nobody(kidding of course,but not much). A rockabilly Fest would drive me insane faster, I like slap bass too, but after a bit it would be like riding a train, and not being able to get off.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Jeff(bigtikidude)

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kanekila
but from talking to a lot of people there, by the end of the day, many said they were surfed out.

TJW

Yet another reason for a surf band to play on non-surf bills. It happens in all genres (ever been to a bluegrass festival?).

As awesome as a wet 'verbed out guitar tone sounds, after 3-4 surf bands in a row, it looses it's novelty. Same with rockabilly (as much as I love slap bass, I don't think I would enjoy a whole weekend of it).

Oh yeah -- bluegrass is another one. LOVE great BG pickin' 'n grinnin', but an entire day of it is just too much (as with all-surf, all-RAB, all-any-genre). I

've always equated musical genres with food. I love pretty much all of them (to which my rapidly expanding waistline will attest Crying ), but I don't want to eat just Italian, or Thai, or BBQ, or Greek, or Mexican, or Indian, etc., all the time.

As an example, we find that when people hear our hapa-haole Hawaiian stuff, and want to hire us for their poolside luau party playing just that, we always tell them "You may think you want Hawaiian for the whole party, but we guarantee you -- YOU DON'T! Doing some of it each set, and mixing in some jump-blues, rockabilly, swing and surf really keeps things from getting stale, and they (and their guests) always appreciate that.

TJW

Aloha,
Kanekila

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Since there was all this talk about chick flicks and betty page. I felt the need to post this photo from one of our recent shows. Still waiting to get the video back from this night.

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I felt the need to post this photo from one of our recent shows. Still waiting to get the video back from this night.

Good golly, was anyone injured? Shocked

Don

No bodily harm that night. But the Bass guitar didn't survive the evenning. That night ended with a impromptu guitar smashing. Then we were called for a encore. The bass player was trying to play while keeping the neck attached to the guitar. Needless to say, we were out of tune on the encore. But everyone ate it up that night.

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Dan
I actually bought a CD of your band's from Hepcat records a few years ago..maybe 4 years ago.

You guys kick ass. great sound!

I played guitar with the Silverjets and with Dulcie Younger and The Silencers, both local L.A. Rockabilly bands (second band had John Carlucci from the Fuzztones playing bass).

I later started playing instro music with John, both of us more interested in that type of sound over vocal driven rockabilly. forming The Flowmasters along with Marty Tippens on drums about 2 years ago. John moved on to work on music for commercials and now the Flowmasters has Doug Forbes on guitar and keybaords and Matt Teachout on base.

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