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Posted on Jul 09 2009 12:42 PM
Off topically, my eyes gravitate towards the Band Master. After carting my Twin Reverb to practice last month, looking at your photo dosen't make my hernia ache at all. Do you use the Echoplex to stop the Band Master floating away? |
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Posted on Jul 09 2009 01:19 PM
Showman, bah! Zak, you and your bandmates need to stop pussyfooting around. Step it up a notch. You might want to seriously consider using one (or two!) air raid sirens per member and just get on with it.
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Posted on Jul 09 2009 01:39 PM
Good idea, but do those go to 11? — |
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Posted on Jul 09 2009 05:52 PM
I am using smaller Victoria and Swart style amps and the Vics go to 12 and the Swart goes to 11! I do get a great tone out of it, but it drives a lot (compresses) before it gets real loud. Maybe not the worst thing. My 5 watt Swart kills with my Jazzmaster and will sustain really well! Thanks for the info on delays. I think until I start doing something with a band my Nova Delay does a good enough tape delay sound. —Owner of Gunbarrel Custom Guitars! |
Joined: Feb 25, 2008 Posts: 321 Canada's Wet Coast
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Posted on Jul 11 2009 10:02 AM
When I was looking for a compressor I came across this web site and found many nuggets of information and plenty of reviews: http://www.ovnilab.com/index.shtml —Mel |
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 06:12 AM
For a true rautalanka sound you would need a Pearl Echo Orbit tape echo and a compressor, DOD fx-80b with attack-knob to be exact, and of course a Vox AC-30 amp. But how does a Californian surf player know the term rautalanka and use it here as if everybody knew what it is? |
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 06:20 AM
Or like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h57Q3_IcoLE |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 07:38 AM
Cause we live in a globalized world - and many of us around here are a bit nuts in our instrumental rock obsessions! Ivan |
Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 09:20 AM
Uh, I don't know... Maybe the same way a Finnish guitar player knows to post on a Surf Guitar forum Great first post though. —Ryan |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19340 Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 09:29 AM
Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 11:23 AM
C'mon, surf music is a global phenomenon, it's not just a California local thing. But rautalanka is a very local thing and I just wondered how come a foreigner is interested in it enough to know the term. Nobody I know here in Finland is. Only a marginal bunch of freaks gathering in www.rautalanka.org. Although I must admit that I tend to think of rautalanka as the umbrella term that covers all echoing or reverberating guitar instrumentals. To me surf is just another sub-genre of rautalanka. Maybe to you rautalanka, eleki, euro-instro etc. are just sub-genres of surf. |
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Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19340 Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 12:04 PM
Like Ivan said, we live in a global internet age now. YouTube anyone? Many of us surf music fanatics are also well aware of euro-instro, Shadows influenced instro, eleki, and yes, even rautalanka. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 12:06 PM
"You could be a foreigner." "But I speak Finnish." |
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Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA
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Posted on Jul 14 2009 12:33 PM
Because I like the music. Pretty simple really.
No, I wouldn't make that supposition at all. I don't really think about the categories and where they start/end, mostly because I could care less. I play in all of the above listed styles regardless of their relation to surf. —Ryan |
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Posted on Jul 15 2009 01:50 AM
A compressor is considered by many purists of modern rautalanka as being an essential part of the sound. That is mainly because Esa Pulliainen, the lead guitarist of the band Agents uses a DOD FX-80b. On the other hand, I do not believe that in 1963 there even were any compressor pedals available. I got me one of those pedals, but I didn't hear any improvement in the sound and even the change in the sound was minimal. And even if it claims to be a compressor-sustainer, it did not improve the sustain at all. To my understanding a compressor is of no use in surf and even in rautalanka it is needed only if you want to imitate Esa Pulliainen to the point. |
Joined: Mar 17, 2007 Posts: 839 United Kingdom
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Posted on Jul 15 2009 04:43 AM
If the change in the sound is that minimal it sounds like something is wrong to me. Compression is pretty noticeable, especially to the player. —http://www.myspace.com/thepashuns Youth and enthusiasm are no match for age and treachery. |
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Posted on Jul 15 2009 05:55 AM
Besides this one pedal I have tried the numerous compressor models included Line6 GearBox. They all seem to compress all right amplifying louder sound less that softer sounds. But none of them adds to sustain. The sound dies out just as quickly as without the compressor, only the louder end is affected. |
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Joined: Mar 17, 2007 Posts: 839 United Kingdom
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Posted on Jul 15 2009 07:17 AM
All they do is turn up the gain as the sound dies away, thus increasing sustain. However, there has to be a note there to bring up in volume and if, for whatever reason, the notes on your guitar are sustaining hardly at all in the first place, then they won't do much to help. It also depends how you set them up of course - its possible to set most of them to only control the peaks rather than do the boosting of quiet signals. —http://www.myspace.com/thepashuns Youth and enthusiasm are no match for age and treachery. |
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