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DNAdude Joined: Aug 01, 2008 Posts: 404 North Carolina	Posted on Jun 23 2009 11:28 AM That is hilarious. I've got that one bookmarked now. — Ralph The Storm Surfers Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar. Top
zak Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2728	Posted on Jun 23 2009 11:31 AM This post has been removed by the author. Last edited: Sep 24, 2009 00:21:08 Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19265 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Jun 23 2009 11:38 AM zak It amazes me that some people can champion ignorance with such unbridled enthusiasm. Not really, go read YouTube comments for 15 minutes. Your faith in humanity will be shaken. — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
DNAdude Joined: Aug 01, 2008 Posts: 404 North Carolina	Posted on Jun 23 2009 12:00 PM zak Snobbery requires grounds for a presumption of superiority. This isn't snobbery, that is more like being proud of ignorance. Touché. zak What I don't understand is the stigma that musical literacy carries in some circles. You should try talking to traditional Irish musicians and devotees of that form of music. Many of them are quite scornful of "the dots" as they call them. I have always assumed that the stigma comes from a belief that the ability to read music somehow precludes the ability to play by ear or to improvise, as if the two abilities were somehow antithetical. I don't know how that idea got out there, but it's definitely held by many people. — Ralph The Storm Surfers Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar. Top
DNAdude Joined: Aug 01, 2008 Posts: 404 North Carolina	Posted on Jun 23 2009 12:02 PM Mind you, many ITM players feel that to play from the notes means to always play the tune the same way, and that is sterility. Of course, if you change the song too much, you've deviated from "the tradition" and that is heretical. Maybe the stigma against musical literacy is note reading envy. — Ralph The Storm Surfers Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar. Top
zak Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2728	Posted on Jun 23 2009 12:11 PM This post has been removed by the author. Last edited: Sep 24, 2009 00:22:23 Top
remora1 Joined: Jan 04, 2008 Posts: 1275 San Pedro, CA	Posted on Jun 23 2009 02:05 PM zak Unless you are a natural-born musical genius, you'll be best off learning as much as your brain can handle - For some reason this thread has me wondering where Mark Gormley's abilities would fall on the scale. — Bill S._______ HELLDIVER on Facebook Top
revmike Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3797 North Atlantic	Posted on Jun 23 2009 03:21 PM My pet peeve is that statement that I have read/heard many times. It goes something to the effect that learning how to read music/learning music theory will some how kill creativity, rather than enhance it. The person saying this seems to hold the belief that once you become "musically literate" you will be limited to only "play by the rules". It seems like a way of justifying the player's "musical illiteracy". Rev PS: I fall into the I can sight-read anything you put in front of me category — Canadian Surf http://www.urbansurfkings.com/ Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11046 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Jun 23 2009 04:17 PM I always thought learning scales is what kills creativity, not learning how to read — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
badash Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 1732	Posted on Jun 23 2009 04:54 PM DNAdude zak Snobbery requires grounds for a You should try talking to traditional Irish musicians and devotees of that form of music. Many of them are quite scornful of "the dots" as they call them. I love hearing the stuff periodically, but it's pretty rigid stuff. Not much difference between it and most other folk music genres. The consistency and predictability is there for a reason. It's supposed to be comforting and nurturing. After a couple numbers it's as numbing as those peruvian bands hocking tapes and CDs and keeping away the giant Guinea Pigs... Top
badash Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 1732	Posted on Jun 23 2009 04:57 PM DannySnyder I always thought learning scales is what kills creativity, not learning how to read I keep hearing how Nels Kline is a genius. And he is a brilliant technician, but just when I start getting into one of his solos, he goes into a "scalar/modal run" that has nothing to do with the melody. It's no different than Eddie Van Halen saying "see how fast I can play!" I'm not saying it makes the song bad, but it always takes me out of the moment. Always. Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Jun 23 2009 05:15 PM One of the reasons I love Nels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STvoZMkpRpY&feature=related I agree he does do the scale thing often, but he does amazing things in between. Also, I think he has amazing tone, despite the fact that he takes the amp du jour route. He lets the venue supply the amp, no matter what it is. Top
ozboomer Joined: Sep 27, 2006 Posts: 80 Blackburn, Australia	Posted on Jun 23 2009 07:55 PM revhank My pet peeve is that statement that I have read/heard many times. It goes something to the effect that learning how to read music/learning music theory will some how kill creativity, rather than enhance it. Having thought about this some more, and writing in terms of the spoken language analogy, I think it's a matter of application (what I was referring to as 'context'). For example, I might be "learned" (LEARN-ed) in a spoken language and know the rules of grammar, syntax, etc... and I can communicate certain thoughts well. However, I'm not a poet and couldn't write anything that moves people emotionally to save my life. I think the same might apply with music. We might have the knowledge (of theory) and the muscle skills (to play the notes) but we stilll don't really 'speak' to a listener. Personally, I can say I've noticed this a lot more since I started my study of guitar more in-ernest in the last couple of years. I might have been playing keyboard instruments for 30+ years but the emotion in my playing was kindof forced, mechanical, often non-existent. Since playing guitar, though, I seem to have a better understanding of what the 'performance' is about, how improvisation, for example, can 'speak' to a listener... but it's virtually certain that I couldn't make the note choices, rhythm selections, etc I do "as well" if I didn't have the theoretical knowledge that I do... which includes being able to read the 'dots and lines' (from orchestral scores, piano music, etc), which has helped no-end in my general understanding. Sidetracking off purely reading sheet music into theory usefulness, I admit... but it's all related — I'm as free from money as a frog is from feathers Top
raito Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Posts: 549 Madison, WI	Posted on Jun 30 2009 03:52 PM I went for the second option. I took college-level theory, and I can nearly sight-play simple heyboard stuff (even organ pedals), but I'm not nearly as good with the guitar. And, not surprisingly, I'm anothe ex-trumpet player. Played violin for 2 years (in elementary school, where strings were offered), played trumpet in middle school, and keys since. Messed around w/ guitar for several years, but not seriously, until recently. And I got lucky. My theory prof. was a guy who played session guitar in L.A. in the 60's. He stressed the the dots without sound is nothing, but that sound can be made into the dots to tell someone else what the sound could be. Top

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