planish
Joined: Jan 09, 2008
Posts: 473
Sackville, New Brunswick
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Posted on May 01 2009 01:28 AM
I taught myself how to "decode" sheet music. I can look at it and sorta "hear" the timing of the different note durations, but I can't do that for the pitch. I have to count the lines ("Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge") or spaces, ("All Cows Eat Grass"), and then double check to see if there's a sharp or a flat on that line/space in the key signature, hunt for it on the keyboard or fretboard, etc. It's a tedious process but it's doable.
Wasn't it Chet Atkins who, when asked if he read sheet music, said "Not so much that it affects my playing" (or words to that effect)?
Finally, I once had a workplace aquaintance who played traditional Irish fiddle, and she had lent me some sheet music of her original tunes. I was messing with a MIDI composer/editor at the time. Just for fun, I took one of her tunes, transposed it, and changed it to a different mode (from Dorian to Mixolydian, perhaps). I showed her the printout of the changes I had made. She just looked at it and said "That sounds weird!" That impressed me.
— I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing.
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Jetpack
Joined: May 28, 2008
Posts: 333
Los Angeles
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Posted on May 01 2009 03:31 AM
I started on trumpet in grade school. I picked up bass in school as a teen in jazz/swing band. Continued both in college and got heavier into jazz chart reading and then with bass after college in musical theater. Besides surf guitar, I study classical guitar and of course reading is mandatory.
— www.jetpackband.com
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oestmann
Joined: Mar 06, 2008
Posts: 584
Adelaide
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Posted on May 01 2009 08:17 AM
I'm picking up some sort of "trumpet" conspiracy here?
I can read and learn a piece of basic sheet music if you give me a few hours. There are times I wish I could sight read because it would open up treasure troves of sheet music from over the ages.
However, I've managed to 'wing it' whenever I play with "real" musicians and have had a great time on the way. I have, however, never wanted to be like the music=mathmatics (and no joy) piano teachers I grew up with. So, I've always been more interested in the rawness of playing by ear more.
— Tim O
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3546
mojave desert, california
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Posted on May 01 2009 12:22 PM
I can read piano music: bass and treble clef. But, I read real slow-like. I usually translate into a chord chart/nashville notes for a live rehearsal or audition.
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FONG
Joined: May 25, 2009
Posts: 19
Massachusetts
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Posted on Jun 22 2009 06:17 PM
When I decided to learn to play a few years ago, I picked up a Mel Bay book and learned some basics. It's been helpful when I learn a song from a book that has both tab and notation because I know what the note values are and the rests etc. Of course the best thing is to listen to other people play the song and pick things up that way, but I'm still glad I learned to sight read somewhat.
— For my next trick I will disembowel myself.
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crumble
Joined: Sep 09, 2008
Posts: 3158
Guildford England
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Posted on Jun 22 2009 07:33 PM
I sight read tab music.. not.
I used to know a young lady who could play the heck out of piano with the sheet music in front of her. I used to sneak up behind and steal her music and she'd stop playing and get real cross with me. A lot of people would call her a true musician.
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Jun 22 2009 08:15 PM
Yet another former trumpet player here...what's up with that?
I learned how to read music in third grade, and this was later enforced by piano lessons. I can sight read and sight sing and can usually hear the melody in my head by looking at the page. For singing or piano, reading music is pretty much like reading English for me. For the guitar I have to think about it once you get out of first position, but in first position I don't have any problems.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jun 22 2009 08:18 PM
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I used to know a young lady who could play the heck out of piano with the sheet music in front of her. I used to sneak up behind and steal her music and she'd stop playing and get real cross with me. A lot of people would call her a true musician.
Because she is a true musician.
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brandonio
Joined: Jan 23, 2007
Posts: 885
Indianapolis, In
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Posted on Jun 22 2009 11:40 PM
I pick option number 4. I'm a drummer and I just play! If I was to play any other instrument I would probably have learned to read music though.
— Reverb, It's A Way Of Life!
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djangodeadman
Joined: Jan 25, 2007
Posts: 1566
Brighton UK
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 06:08 AM
Many years ago I played in a band that also featured my cousin, who was a classically trained trumpet player (obviously, had she played any other instrument, she wouldn't have featured in this thread!). None of the rest of us could read. When it came to us asking her to play a solo in a particular place, she would ask what we wanted her to play. We would hum her a tune and she would then write it down and play from her sheet music. She couldn't make up or improvise a tune and she couldn't play without her sheet music.
Tim, who plays guitar and trumpet (!!) in Los Fantasticos, studied music at university. He can read, but the greatest ability he has gained from understanding theory, it seems to me, is the ability to work things out really quickly. I, on the other hand, have to resort to hearing things by ear and a process of trial and error.
Unlike my cousin, Tim does not need sheet music in front of him in order to be able to play!
— Los Fantasticos
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ozboomer
Joined: Sep 27, 2006
Posts: 80
Blackburn, Australia
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 07:20 AM
djangodeadman
...featured my cousin, who was a classically trained trumpet player ... right it down and play from her sheet music. She couldn't make up or improvise a tune and she couldn't play without her sheet music.
Actually, playing music without sheet music is something that has been totally foreign to me... and it's only since I've started taking 'real' guitar lessons that I've been able to start developing the skills of improvisation and playing with people in a small band situation.
From my experience, all you really need is a means to communicate your musical ideas and if you do that by performing a demo, writing a chart or by using the 'lines and dots', it almost doesn't matter -- what is important is that you have an understanding of what the musical 'rules' are (which depend on context) and then being able to forget all about them
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 07:34 AM
ozboomer
[all you really need is a means to communicate your musical ideas and if you do that by performing a demo, writing a chart or by using the 'lines and dots', it almost doesn't matter -- what is important is that you have an understanding of what the musical 'rules' are (which depend on context) and then being able to forget all about them
I like it. Especially the part about knowing the rules and then being to forget all about them sometimes.
Reading music is convenient because opens up access to a lot of things, but playing by ear and being able to do things on the fly is also good.
Here I sit, firmly on the fence.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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crumble
Joined: Sep 09, 2008
Posts: 3158
Guildford England
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 07:55 AM
JakeDobner
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I used to know a young lady who could play the heck out of piano with the sheet music in front of her. I used to sneak up behind and steal her music and she'd stop playing and get real cross with me. A lot of people would call her a true musician.
Because she is a true musician.
I don't know so much jake. I always saw her as a kind of human "Player Piano Roll" ..Y'know those old fashioned pianos that played themselves? She couldn't compose or jam but she could communicate with other musicians which is a huge bonus.
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djangodeadman
Joined: Jan 25, 2007
Posts: 1566
Brighton UK
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 09:44 AM
DNAdude
ozboomer
[all you really need is a means to communicate your musical ideas and if you do that by performing a demo, writing a chart or by using the 'lines and dots', it almost doesn't matter -- what is important is that you have an understanding of what the musical 'rules' are (which depend on context) and then being able to forget all about them
I like it. Especially the part about knowing the rules and then being to forget all about them sometimes.
Reading music is convenient because opens up access to a lot of things, but playing by ear and being able to do things on the fly is also good.
Here I sit, firmly on the fence.
Agreed. I really wish that, when I was a child, someone had forced me to learn of all of this stuff. It would be such a fantastic short cut.
— Los Fantasticos
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zak
Joined: Sep 24, 2007
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 10:03 AM
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 10:32 AM
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I don't know so much jake. I always saw her as a kind of human "Player Piano Roll" ..Y'know those old fashioned pianos that played themselves? She couldn't compose or jam but she could communicate with other musicians which is a huge bonus.
People are timid to play or write anything on the spot with people watching them. How many people can just pull something out of their ass? Also, compared to the music she usually played she probably wasn't too happy playing simple chord progressions. This is a girl who could read two different things at once(written in different clefs) and make both of her hands play a different melody or rhythm. That is musicianship. Not being able to jam.
Memorizing a piece on piano is completely different from learning something on guitar.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 10:45 AM
Zak, well put as usual.
Of course, we here on SG101 would delude ourselves into thinking that somebody who can read music isn't much of a musician since they don't jam or memorize all the pieces they play.
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 10:49 AM
JakeDobner
Memorizing a piece on piano is completely different from learning something on guitar.
I found myself thinking about that one and saying both yes and no at the same time. In some ways it is quite different - mechanically speaking - but in other ways it's just a means of self expression and it kind of depends on the facility you have with the instrument - how much you have to think about what you want your hands to do.
JakeDobner
Of course, we here on SG101 would delude ourselves into thinking that somebody who can read music isn't much of a musician since they don't jam or memorize all the pieces they play.
Hey, we're surf snobs, what can I say?
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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badash
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Posts: 1732
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 10:58 AM
JakeDobner
Zak, well put as usual.
Of course, we here on SG101 would delude ourselves into thinking that somebody who can read music isn't much of a musician since they don't jam or memorize all the pieces they play.
To me it's the difference between telling (story noodling?) a story and reading aloud from a great play. You may able to tell a great story off the cuff better than a well trained actor. But when the actor is reading they have the advantage of both being trained in how to convey emotion, tension, etc, PLUS what they are reading is deeper in terms of character development, plot, subplot, etc... You may prefer hearing about your buddy Chuck getting wasted in Vegas, and your buddy Tom really does a great job of telling it, but all in all, Ian McKellen reading King Lear is probably the better bet for taking a date to...
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jun 23 2009 11:05 AM
Here is an example of what a great actor Ian McKellen is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sbtkQM6zc
So funny...
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