scotstandard
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Davenport Iowa
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Posted on Apr 22 2009 11:27 AM
TAD is king, try a set and be blown away!
GT's are junk,
JJ's are better but kinda same as sovtech
For surf
Tall bottle TAD 6l6GC for more clean headroom
Tad short bottle for a normal RCA blackplate spot on tone.
I was running blackplates in my showman and got some tads and They are up there with the rca's.
For the same money as JJ truy a set of tads, I have a b them and its night and day! so much more freq responce. everythings nice and clear and not mushy .
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IvanP
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Posted on Apr 24 2009 03:11 PM
Ruhar
Ivan, a bit off topic but...
How do you like the Eminence Swamp Thangs? I know that Jimmy Wilsey raves about them.
Really? Funny, I didn't know that - but hell, Jimmy definitely KNOWS tone!
Well, I haven't had a chance to play it a whole lot yet, and I bought it new so there are still many hours to go before it's broken in, but so far I'm pretty impressed by it. It seems to be their take on an EV 12L. It's got a HUGE magnet, and weighs a ton. A big voice coil (I forget what it is now, though), which I'm really starting to think is the most important thing for a speaker sounding good clean, and it's very loud - I mean, VERY loud. It's got sensitivity of something like 102 dB - considerably louder than most speakers out there. Finally, it can handle 150W of power! You can run it with any Fender amp and it'll handle anything you throw at it. By the specs alone it would seem to be the ultimate surf speaker - no break up at all, with a BIG voice, oodles of low end, pretty mellow high end. I think it's a winner!! I'd definitely recommend it.
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SURFmole
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Posted on Apr 24 2009 03:55 PM
Doctor_Morbius
I have the stock JJ upgrade tubes in my Deluxe Reverb. Combined with an alnico Weber California it sounds pretty Surfy.
https://ssl.eurotubes.com/cart/index.php?page=view_products&category_id=7&sub_category_id=35
Fender Deluxe Reverb Full Retube Kit
Price: 104.50
Description: A full retube with a matched pair of the JJ 6V6's, a JJ GZ34, four JJ ECC83S's to replace the 12AX7's and two JJ ECC81's with one of them being current balanced for the phase inverter in V6 next to the power tubes.
I think the JJ 6V6 are the best you can get (including NOS). They sound absolutely killer in a DR and they seem to hold up great and be indestructible as well.
The JJ 6L6s are good too but I'm going to give the TADs a try after Kyle's (and everyone else's) recommendation.
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Bill_Ashton
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Massachusetts
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Posted on Apr 26 2009 08:08 AM
I have JJ 6L6's in my BF Tremolux. I was worried at first that I would not be able to fit them in! The bottles are tall, and the square ends on the pins are hard to get into the tube sockets. I almost thought I would need to take the chassis out to put the tubes in. Finally go them in and all is well, they sound very good.
Are the Winged-C's or the TAD's a smaller glass envelope, like say an RCA?
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D22
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Posted on Apr 29 2009 09:19 AM
SURFmole
I think the JJ 6V6 are the best you can get (including NOS). They sound absolutely killer in a DR and they seem to hold up great and be indestructible as well.
The JJ 6L6s are good too but I'm going to give the TADs a try after Kyle's (and everyone else's) recommendation.
You may want to try the newer TUNG-SOL RI 6V6GT's-not as clean as the JJ but very good for anything that necessitates some drive. Very warm.
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RecRoomSurfer
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Canada, eh?
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Posted on Apr 29 2009 11:52 AM
DGG
You may want to try the newer TUNG-SOL ....
This question is in the context of an alternative for 6L6 tubes.
I visited the Gomez Amps website and looked at the specs for the
"El Sonido" amp, 6G6-B Bassman circuit. The specs say it uses
TUNG-SOL 5881 tubes. I was wondering about the max plate voltage
these tubes can handle. My understanding is (please correct me if I'm
wrong) that the TUNG-SOL 5881 is rated for max 400v. I've seen the
Fender 6G6-B schematic and it shows a plate voltage of 428v. I think
there is something here I need to understand.
I was also wondering if 5881 tubes could be used in a Blackface or
Sliverface Bassman with, of course, the correct re-biasing? Or is it
unreasonable to expect some kind of Brownface sound from a Black or
Sliverface by using 5881 tubes without any pre-amp mods.
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davidphantomatic
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Posted on Apr 29 2009 12:32 PM
Has anyone compared TAD's 6L6WGC-STR vs the regular GC-STR?
From what I've read, the GC-STR has more headroom, which after our first show last weekend I'm definitely gonna need more of.
I was originally intending on retubing my amp this summer with WGC's, but my Super was breaking up way too early at the show, so headroom right now is the name of the game.
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Apr 29 2009 01:11 PM
davidj
Has anyone compared TAD's 6L6WGC-STR vs the regular GC-STR?
From what I've read, the GC-STR has more headroom, which after our first show last weekend I'm definitely gonna need more of.
I was originally intending on retubing my amp this summer with WGC's, but my Super was breaking up way too early at the show, so headroom right now is the name of the game.
If you need headroom, start looking at Output Transformers, bumping it up in size can make a difference.
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D22
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Posted on Apr 29 2009 01:38 PM
RecRoomSurfer
DGG
You may want to try the newer TUNG-SOL ....
This question is in the context of an alternative for 6L6 tubes.
I visited the Gomez Amps website and looked at the specs for the
"El Sonido" amp, 6G6-B Bassman circuit. The specs say it uses
TUNG-SOL 5881 tubes. I was wondering about the max plate voltage
these tubes can handle. My understanding is (please correct me if I'm
wrong) that the TUNG-SOL 5881 is rated for max 400v. I've seen the
Fender 6G6-B schematic and it shows a plate voltage of 428v. I think
there is something here I need to understand.
I was also wondering if 5881 tubes could be used in a Blackface or
Sliverface Bassman with, of course, the correct re-biasing? Or is it
unreasonable to expect some kind of Brownface sound from a Black or
Sliverface by using 5881 tubes without any pre-amp mods.
It (El Sonido) uses the reissue 5881's and sound great in the amp-according to my customers and also to me. If you want more headroom than the 6L6GC's and 7581A's are where you would go.
However, the real-deal TUNG-SOL's from back in the day could handle the voltage that the 6G6-B puts out. I actually serviced one (6G6-B) years ago and put NOS TUNG-SOL's in it.
I saw the voltage too thinking the same thing you did but no problemos whatsoever. They were pricey though. That's why I'm glad New Sensor put out the reissue. They've done a great job for a good price.
Just remember, how nice is it to have all these tube options TODAY?
I feel we're all pretty darn lucky.
D
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scotstandard
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Davenport Iowa
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Posted on Apr 29 2009 04:26 PM
The Talls do have more headroom, I havent A B'd them in the showman but i heard the shorts in a super reverb, They sound really cool but breakup more than the talls.
6L6GC-STR (tall-bottle)
http://www.cryoset.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=18&products_id=96&osCsid=jue6pf0gvleh9p4rq5l35nnpf2
Order from hear and on the order tell them you want more clean headroom. They Put a set together that has it!
Like $83 shipped for the quad!
Very cool tubes, Dario you should try some in the surfer, I bet you dig it. They have dealer priceing avail!
Check it out!
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SURFmole
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Posted on May 12 2009 01:56 AM
I just ordered the short bottle TADs and requested a set that's got clean headroom from Darren Riley. I'll report back after I try them out.
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Ruhar
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Posted on May 12 2009 09:58 AM
SURFmole
I just ordered the short bottle TADs and requested a set that's got clean headroom from Darren Riley. I'll report back after I try them out.
Looks like we're trading places. I just ordered a set of JJs for a Vibroverb Reissue restore I'm doing 
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scotstandard
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Posted on May 12 2009 04:14 PM
Let us know when they get there! Suprized you went with the short bottles. the talls have more clean headroom.
or if you ment to get them...email them NOW!
Let us know!
Thanks
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SURFmole
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Posted on May 12 2009 06:41 PM
I thought about going with the talls but I have enough trouble running my Bandmaster at high enough volumes to hit the 'sweet spot' as-is. I don't want full distortion or even overdrive but a little edge and sustain would be welcome. I also read various reviews and they all seemed to say that the short bottles were the "period correct" tubes for early to mid 60's amps. Anyway, I thought I'd give them a shot...
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scotstandard
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Posted on May 12 2009 06:59 PM
There pretty spot on RCA black plate tubes! Without the vintage price!
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Posted on May 12 2009 08:46 PM
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SURFmole
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Posted on May 13 2009 12:58 AM
Yeah, I took your advice Kyle and bought them from Darren Riley. He seems like a cool guy (immediately e-mailed me back and said they were on the way...also said he'd pick a set for max headroom) and also had a nice stash of Fender guitar parts on his website.
I'm hoping the Weber Beam Blocker combined with re-tubing my Bandmaster will get my tone where I want it to be!
Ruhar
Looks like we're trading places. I just ordered a set of JJs for a Vibroverb Reissue restore I'm doing
That's ironic! FWIW, I like the JJs. The ones I currently have were in my amp when I bought it though so there's no telling what their history was or how many hours are on them. I needed new tubes and thought I'd try the TAD to compare and see what I like better.
I'm just glad we have several good options unlike a few years ago when you could only buy NOS, Sovtek, or Chinese (which was pure crap at the time).
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DannySnyder
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Posted on May 13 2009 01:13 AM
I didn't like the beam blockers at all. I felt it robbed my tone of it's 'sparkle'. Let us know what you think.
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diceophonic
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Posted on May 13 2009 01:33 AM
SURFmole
Yeah, I took your advice Kyle and bought them from Darren Riley. He seems like a cool guy (immediately e-mailed me back and said they were on the way...also said he'd pick a set for max headroom) and also had a nice stash of Fender guitar parts on his website.
I'm hoping the Weber Beam Blocker combined with re-tubing my Bandmaster will get my tone where I want it to be!
Scot can't wait to hear it! Yes Darren is tops he can also order parts you can't find just give him a call or email and he's super fast with shipping and very helpful with info and juice A++++!
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SURFmole
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Posted on May 13 2009 06:15 AM
DannySnyder
I didn't like the beam blockers at all. I felt it robbed my tone of it's 'sparkle'. Let us know what you think.
I haven't played with it enough yet (just tried it at home...will know better after I play a show next week) but from what I can tell so far I think I'll like it.
The problem I was having is that my cabinet was too directional (being closed back) and the Weber 12F150T speaker was super bright when you were directly in front of it but you could move (honestly) 2" to either side and it would sound completely different. I could only sort-of hear myself OK if I tilted the cab back and stood directly in front of the speaker without moving too much...which meant I could hear myself OK but probably nobody else could.
It seems to have made my cabinet much easier to hear from anywhere in the room (sort of like with an open back cab) but retains the punch and bass response of a closed back cabinet. The highs don't seem quite as pronounced as when you stood directly in front of the speaker before the blocker was installed (maybe that accounts for your loss of sparkle) but the reality was nobody including myself really got to hear that anyway unless you were directly in the line of fire. With a blackfaced head and Jazzmaster w/ 1M pots I have treble to spare so a little roll-off is easy to deal with and I'd rather run the tone controls higher up because I think the amp sounds better that way anyway since they're subtractive. It might reduce the efficiency a little bit (doesn't seem quite as loud) but I'll have to experiment with it more to be sure...since you can hear it from the sides it's actually louder from different angles and the sound seems more balanced instead of all treble and bass with sucked out mids. I'll post a report in a different thread (don't mean to hijack this one) after I get the new tubes in and take it for a spin.
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