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What 3rd Wave surf songs should be standards?
Joined: Oct 09, 2008 Posts: 42 |
Posted on Apr 23 2009 03:40 PM
You wish. Frank Black of the Pixies was, though, for sure. Not only was he from Hermosa Beach, but there is an interview with him somewhere, whereby he notes that in the '80s, a lot of old beat up surf records could still be bought at thrift stores. He claims to have been one of those kids, and there are examples of reverb and staccato guitar all over the Pixies albums. |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle 
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Posted on Apr 23 2009 03:45 PM
Cobain played the univox and jags because they were dirt cheap... and probably because Sonic Youth used similar guitars. In Seattle, you don't grow up knowing that the Ventures are from Washington. |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco 
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Posted on Apr 23 2009 04:08 PM
This thread has to be one of the worst examples of SG101 ADD. Two simultaneous discussions- one about third wave songs, the other about which punk rockers surf, with a slight foray into band-name double entenders. Get back on your meds people! —Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
Joined: Nov 05, 2008 Posts: 745 Colorado, home of The Astronauts
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Posted on Apr 23 2009 04:17 PM
I'm not on meds, that could be the problem. A lot of good stuff in here, though I won't continue with my Nirvana theory. —Plus! Other stuff not surf: https://soundcloud.com/jamesmileshq |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california
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Posted on Apr 23 2009 07:16 PM
yes...it think this is a fine example of "thread drift"...i will take your advice and return to a medicated state...like Arizona or New Hampshire... |
Joined: Jul 23, 2008 Posts: 488 Edge of the East China Sea
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Posted on Apr 23 2009 10:34 PM
There has been a lot of discussion in this thread about what bands belong to which wave, when (or even if) which wave began, and by implication that these waves have identifiable differences. Anyway, I recall reading an interesting blog entry about surf music; the writer held that the second wave was a revival and continuation of the first, and includes bands like LSJ, Satan's Pilgrims, and The Madeira. Third wave musicians use a less traditional, more synthesized, sound. That is, the waves are defined by approach rather than by time period. I had always assumed that the waves followed some chronological order, so this guy's article was provocative. By his reasoning, it's not only possible for second and third wave bands to exist side by side, but also for certain third wave bands to predate some second wavers. I don't see how the original question will ever get answered as long as we're all using our own intuitive definitions of 'wave' and 'standard', but the discussion is always interesting. |
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Joined: Jul 23, 2008 Posts: 488 Edge of the East China Sea
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Posted on Apr 23 2009 10:41 PM
What I was trying to say there is not that the first and second waves were contiguous, but that the second wavers picked up where the first left off. |
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11058 Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Apr 24 2009 12:12 AM
I'd like to 'wave' goodbye to this discussion...forever Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
Joined: May 30, 2006 Posts: 746 Cool, CA
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Posted on Apr 24 2009 10:49 AM
Would we even be talking about "waves" if the music wasn't identified as "surf"? How many rockabilly waves have there been? How about swing or lounge? —Don |
Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA
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Posted on Apr 24 2009 10:52 AM
+1000 —Ryan |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Apr 24 2009 10:55 AM
Quite possibly. Remember New Wave? It just describes different styles of popularity. But it is possible that because it was surf that it got 'wave' with more ease. |
Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO
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Posted on Apr 24 2009 03:34 PM
Rockabilly comes in outbreaks instead of waves. As in "There was an outbreak of rockabilly in the UK in the early 70s." (Not sure about the exact date. It rioted into Colorado a bit late.) In a desperate attempt to revert to the original topic, which had some real merit, I can confirm that Pacifica is something of a post 1st-wave standard in Denver. The Beloved Invaders here cover five or six Slacktone (Slicktone? :roll:) songs, including Rosarito 3-Day, Tidal Wave and Birdbone, and I gather that data from other places might make some of these Slacktone numbers verge on standards. I notice on the Internet that bands tend to cover Banzai Pipeline in the Raybeats version. (Planet Seven covered their Guitar Beat.) Somewhat similarly, I think people covering first wave material now seem to be covering MOAM's versions, e.g., locally Get Three Coffins Ready covers their version of Intoxica (which is based on the Centurions version, I think). Contemporary bands have a tendency to cover Davie Allan - Fender Bender, Blue's Theme. What is Davie Allan in wavoid terms? Sort of post first wave, but not quite second wave? And what wave would Deadbolt be? Some of their songs, which I don't know the names of, show up a lot. No, wait a minute, that was Deadbolt playing them. Other aspects of post first-wave standardization:
Anyone want to tackle "favorites of the first wave that nobody plays today"? For example, what ever happened to Wild Weekend, the Wiggle Wobble, and Beep Beep? |
Joined: Apr 30, 2009 Posts: 344 Austin, TX
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Posted on May 07 2009 12:23 PM
on the title topic, two of my favorites that I think leave enough space to be covered well: The Spoils - FB - RN |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25601 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on May 07 2009 01:02 PM
2 killer additions. —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO
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Posted on May 07 2009 03:14 PM
I notice some of the initial contributions to this thread, and my take on it, were "which third wave tunes can arguably be regarded as standards because they get played a lot by other bands," but there is a competing "my favorite songs" interpretation as "which third wave tunes are so cool they ought to be standards," where the answer is clearly "lots and lots." So, "Varykino Snow" is delightful - very keen-oh, in fact - and would make a great standard, and so, for that matter, would Sponge Cookie, but does either actually get played widely? I will try to overlook the other frayed ends of this thread. |
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