DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Mar 23 2009 10:36 PM
I started getting a distorted sound out of my reverb tank. It increases as the dwell is turned up. It's also stronger on certain particular notes e.g. high d. It's a ringing distortion that is on top of the note, sounds kind of like a resonant sound. I switched tubes and pans and no luck, and it doesn't happen on the dry signal at all. Any ideas?
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Mar 23 2009 10:39 PM
I have no idea what I am talking about,
but what the hell.
could it be either the output or pick up transducer jobers that send the signal thru the spring?
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1778
Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Mar 23 2009 10:43 PM
Danny,
Sounds kind of like a problem I was having with my 1964 tank. We replaced the caps and also found a wire that was improperly soldered to the pan. Once we corrected those problems, it was all drippy again. Best of luck.
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BillyBlastOff
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1070
Ventura County, Calif.
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Posted on Mar 23 2009 11:05 PM
Just replace the "thing-a-ma-jig" on the "osfrigalator" and you'll be fine...........
If that doesn't do it. Grab the biggest hammer you can find and beat the sh#t out of it.
Reverb tanks used to be kind of special to have, but now there like cell phones. Everybody's got one.
Time for somethin' new Leo..........
Billy
— Be careful following the masses. Sometimes the "M" is silent...........................
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scotstandard
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Davenport Iowa
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Posted on Mar 23 2009 11:50 PM
Im the only guy i know in a 100 miles that has one (or 3) 99% of the people i see have no idea what it is. they think its an amp.
Everybody here has one...but were all surfers.
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Mr_Reverb63
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San Pablo, CA
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 12:14 AM
is this on ur reissue or the vintage one?
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Ben
Joined: Feb 11, 2007
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Encinitas, Ca
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 12:53 AM
Danny,
Try cleaning the tube socket contacts with some spray and/or wooden toothpick. Open up the back, use a magnifying glass and look at all the wiring and solder joints for cracks or cold joints....good luck!
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PhatTele
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
Posts: 445
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 08:35 AM
is this on ur reissue or the vintage one?
That's the key question. If it's an old one and you've eliminated just about everyother possibility (in particular the tubes and the pan), a cap job may be in order. If it's a new one (or the old one too for that matter), try hooking up a pan from another amp. You don't even have to remove either of the pans. Just connect the cables from the combo over to the reverb unit. See if that helps isolate the problem.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11070
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 12:15 PM
It's a vintage pan and it's been at the tech's about 9 months ago and supposedly all the caps and resisters were checked. It's also still very drippy, just this buzzy distortion ringing over the note. I already switched pans and no difference. I'll try Ben's suggestions later today. If that doesn't do it, I may have to take Billy's advice. Thanks for everyone's input.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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JonW
Joined: Mar 07, 2008
Posts: 237
Indiana
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 12:53 PM
Hi Danny,
Sorry to hear about your tank troubles. This is not likely to help any but Ill throw it out on the off chance that it does
I bought a new reissue tank. And it only worked intermittently. Sometimes it would put sound through to the amp and sometimes not. I checked the cables and such but they were fine. When sound did come out, it was sometimes pretty well distorted. Like using an overdrive or distortion pedal. The distortion was most pronounced when I would hit the strings pretty heavily. Really grind into the strings and it would distort.
My guess was a bad solder joint. Or perhaps even a bad tube. But it was new and I wasnt about to start taking it apart and resoldering things. In the end, I sent it back and got a replacement tank. Best of luck with yours.
BillyBlastOff
Reverb tanks used to be kind of special to have, but now there like cell phones. Everybody's got one.
Eh, who cares what everyone else is doing? Tanks sound great and people know when youve got a good sound going. My gal doesnt know much about my tank- she just refers to it as the box. And whenever she hears me playing without the tank, unplugged or straight into the amp, I hear her say Hey, why arent you using the box? 
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PhatTele
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Posts: 445
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 01:07 PM
it's been at the tech's about 9 months ago and supposedly all the caps and resisters were checked
Checked or replaced? It might be worth double checking the work that was done. From what I can tell, you gig a lot and probably use that tank quite a bit. If the filter caps (or other electrolytics) are still original and "checked out okay" when your tech looked at it last, they might be getting tired...even in just 9 months. At any rate, I'm sure it's something simple.
Easily 90% of the repair work I see are for vintage amps which still have their original electrolytics or original tubes or both. "It was playing great and then I got this weird sound...or...the amp just sounds weak to me...or...I get these funny "accidental overtones"...or...there's this really bad smell...or...the fuse just blew." Any of those issues could be due to caps and tubes.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 01:33 PM
PhatTele
it's been at the tech's about 9 months ago and supposedly all the caps and resisters were checked
Checked or replaced? It might be worth double checking the work that was done. From what I can tell, you gig a lot and probably use that tank quite a bit. If the filter caps (or other electrolytics) are still original and "checked out okay" when your tech looked at it last, they might be getting tired...even in just 9 months. At any rate, I'm sure it's something simple.
Easily 90% of the repair work I see are for vintage amps which still have their original electrolytics or original tubes or both. "It was playing great and then I got this weird sound...or...the amp just sounds weak to me...or...I get these funny "accidental overtones"...or...there's this really bad smell...or...the fuse just blew." Any of those issues could be due to caps and tubes.
Thanks for your help PhatTele, he replaced a few caps and resisters. All the major electrolytics were replaced a 3 or 4 years back. He's very thorough, but you are correct that I gig a lot and things just go wrong on vintage gear. I'll be giving it the wooden dowel test for bad connections and double check the cables, and if I don't find any back it goes.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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PhatTele
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Posts: 445
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 01:35 PM
Yup...break out the chopsticks Good luck. Meanwhile, if you do find it's something simple, post back with the fix. I try to keep track of this stuff in case I run into something similar on my bench. Thnx
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11070
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 08:40 PM
OK mystery solved (sort of). Both the pans I was using were distorting. When I plugged in a third pan it worked fine. It's definitely some kind of electro-mechanical problem as it seemed to occur in the springs, when I shook the pans they got worse. Perhaps I should try switching out springs? In the meanwhile I have a good pan and I'm happy. Thanks again for all your help people! 
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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wooza
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1618
Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 09:55 PM
Two funky pans? Are these the same ones you were raving about to me not long ago? 
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DannySnyder
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Posts: 11070
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Mar 24 2009 10:19 PM
Yep, I learned a lesson. I was so focused on drip I didn't listen for purity of tone. It's a subtle distortion and I didn't notice them at first. I'm still not giving up on these, there must be a reason they're buzzing like that. 
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3546
mojave desert, california
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Posted on Mar 25 2009 12:47 PM
DannySnyder
Yep, I learned a lesson. I was so focused on drip I didn't listen for purity of tone. It's a subtle distortion and I didn't notice them at first. I'm still not giving up on these, there must be a reason they're buzzing like that. 
it's probably the transducer-spring-connection-thingee that bigtikifellow mentioned earlier in this thread...
maybe dirty, maybe failing?
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bigtikidude
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Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Mar 25 2009 12:52 PM
thanks DP,
I remember people talking about those going out back on cowabunga.
and it seemed to be a possible culprit.
not that I know anything about how a tank works.
but just ringing a bell in my head.
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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JetBlue
Joined: May 30, 2006
Posts: 746
Cool, CA
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Posted on Mar 25 2009 01:02 PM
Maybe a grounding problem? The body of the pan should be connected to the outer conductor on either the input or output RCA jacks. Easy to check, anyway, and I know that pans are configured differently.
Do you know input/output impedance on the two offenders?
— Don
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dp
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Posts: 3546
mojave desert, california
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Posted on Mar 26 2009 10:30 AM
could it be pan orientation? in other words, is the pan intended for vertical mount in the Reverb box...or is it a horizontal pan?
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