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Hey

recently purchased one of the new classic player Jazzmasters and only had it a short while and have sent it back a couple of times as it seems to buzz terribly.

The action is not the problem it sounds like something in the bridge are, but just a buzzing from most of the strings, is this a typical Jazzmaster trate or can anyone advise on this please would be great because the shop dont believe it has a problem but Ive never played guitar that buzzes this much?

Kind Regards

Adam

Pretty typical.

This has a tune-a-matic bridge? The wire holding the saddles in might be buzzing.

yeah gibson style bridge its an awful buzz, where would wire be?

Isolate the buzz. Tape five of the strings together then hit the string that is free and start checking for where the buzz is coming from.

There are several gremmies possible.

The trem handle is buzzing in the collet.
The bridge saddles are buzzing. Gibson uses a wire to hold the bridge saddle intonation screw in place.
The bridge itself is buzzing in the socket where is is sitting. Often times on a normal Jazzmaster, the support posts will come to rest against either the front or back of the ferrule it resides in and buzzes like hell. You just have to center the bridge in the ferrules or isolate it by winding electrical tape around the bridge support. I can't remember if the bridge assembly on the player model floats.
The strings are buzzing on the frets. Super light strings will buzz like crazy. Most of us here use heavy flats on the Jazzmasters.
I have even seen the pickup selector switch buzz.

Make yourself a "stethoscope" out of a piece of tubing and use it to hunt down the exact area where the annoyance is coming from.

Time consuming and annoying for sure but the initial setup on a Jazzmaster or Jaguar can be a pain in the can....... They sure don't do it at the factory.

ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

Adam
yeah gibson style bridge its an awful buzz, where would wire be?

It would be over the adjustment screws creating tension to hold them down. I seriously doubt the Fender would have a tuneamatic of that style...I don't even think the new Gibsons have the ABR bridge with the wire anymore unless you pay the big bucks for the "vintage" models.

Is the bridge centered in the thimbles? (Before everyone flames me about it being a tuneamatic I'd like to point out that the bridge DOES float on the classic player models be it Gibson style or not).

www.apollo4.com

Whoops, bad advice on my behalf. All the Gibsons I've played recently have had abr-1 bridges on them. The new ones were probably swapped out.

Here is a big picture of the tune-o-matic Fender is using these days.

http://www.avenue-guitars.com/Electrics/Fender%20-%20Jay%20Mascis%20Jazzmaster4.JPG

It is possible that the e string is too far in back and the direction that the saddle is sitting causes the front of the saddle to lift up. To correct it just flip the saddle 180 degrees. That probably isn't problem, but it is one aspect of buzz on these bridges.

Try holding every possible part you can hold and then hitting strings. Maybe you can hear the buzz go away when holding parts. Personally I hold down each saddle with a lot of pressure to see if it buzzes then.

JakeDobner
Whoops, bad advice on my behalf. All the Gibsons I've played recently have had abr-1 bridges on them. The new ones were probably swapped out.

Here is a big picture of the tune-o-matic Fender is using these days.

It is possible that the e string is too far in back and the direction that the saddle is sitting causes the front of the saddle to lift up. To correct it just flip the saddle 180 degrees. That probably isn't problem, but it is one aspect of buzz on these bridges.

Try holding every possible part you can hold and then hitting strings. Maybe you can hear the buzz go away when holding parts. Personally I hold down each saddle with a lot of pressure to see if it buzzes then.

You beat me to the punch; no retainer wire on the Fender bridge. Could be a vibrating bridge saddle, but they're pretty tight by design on mine.

Make sure all of the screws that secure the tailpiece to the body are tight enough, but don't over-tighten, and don't try to tighten the trem adjustment screws- search the forums using the keywords "tremolo adjustment"; there's a pretty cool link that explains how these things work and how to set them up- probably good stuff for you to know, too.

Check to see if the trem arm is threaded securely into the collet- the classic player should have a threaded arm/collet connection, not the push-in type.

Also, this might sound pretty elementary, but make sure the bridge is installed properly. Since it's not fastened to the guitar in a secure manner, it's easy for it to be installed backwards. If it is installed backwards, the strings won't sit properly in the saddles, which could be causing your vibration issues. In addition, your intonation would be out of whack if the bridge is backwards, and you might break strings a bit more frequently, depending on your picking style.

In any event, something is loose. Take Eddie's advice and go through all the parts with the makeshift stethoscope.

While I was looking at the setup on my CP Jag to try to find some pointers to give you, I discovered a slight squeak caused by the trem arm collet contacting the high "E" string. I guess I'll have to address that little issue on mine...

I purchased a CP Jaguar in December which did the same thing...A was a particularly bad note...Fender customer service said they all did it and to install a buzz stop...huh? Anyway, it was the TOM bridge, and it was the screws rattling. There is no spring wire on this particular bridge. The ultimate solution on mine was to exchange the bridge for one on a Jackson, which had the same bridge exactly EXCEPT for nylon bushings.
The Jag bridge went onto the Jackson, which was happy as it had a much steeper string angle.

If your guitar did not buzz in the store, and you have not changed anything, may be time to consider a return. I did not buy the original one I tried out, which did not buzz at all, as it had a bad pickup. The one I purchased came directly from Fender new, and I did not have a chance to try it out in the store.

It was said that heavier strings may help such a problem, but I thought that a cop out...I mean, sell a guitar (not the store , they didn't know, but Fender) you know has issues? Ah, the free market.

Interestingly, the review in England's GUITAR, in which they wax enthusiastic about the CP JM, does not mention any extraneous buzzing.

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most...

Well Fender is wrong about them all buzzing. Mine doesn't.

badash
Well Fender is wrong about them all buzzing. Mine doesn't.

I bet your not using the stock strings. Ive tested a bunch of them now at different stores and so far every one has buzzed. There isn't much of a break angle over the bridge and the stock strings are ridiculously thin. I suspect but can't confirm the buzzing will go away with 11's or 12's

badash
Well Fender is wrong about them all buzzing. Mine doesn't.

Nor does mine. But it does squeak...

TwangOmatic

badash
Well Fender is wrong about them all buzzing. Mine doesn't.

I bet your not using the stock strings. Ive tested a bunch of them now at different stores and so far every one has buzzed. There isn't much of a break angle over the bridge and the stock strings are ridiculously thin. I suspect but can't confirm the buzzing will go away with 11's or 12's

Actually it is loaded with the stock strings. I didn't change them because I was determined to learn to play with lighter strings on a jag without pushing them off the fretboard when grabbing fast and hard up the neck. a Discipline exercise. Now I'm seriously considering putting 10s on my AVRI jazzy Shocked

tommyalvarado

badash
Well Fender is wrong about them all buzzing. Mine doesn't.

Nor does mine. But it does squeak...

Did you get a screw in arm or are you one of the lucky ones that got the AVRI style push in arms?

badash

tommyalvarado

badash
Well Fender is wrong about them all buzzing. Mine doesn't.

Nor does mine. But it does squeak...

Did you get a screw in arm or are you one of the lucky ones that got the AVRI style push in arms?

Screw-in. I actually like the screw-in version. How about yours? My squeaky collet/string contacting problem should be a pretty easy fix.

OK thanks there is a lot of good help there. Thing is I am using 11's on it and the buzz is pretty bad, Im just really annoyed that Fender think this is ok and the lengths im going to have to go to to get it sorted is ridiculous.

We are with you Adam. Believe me, the Fenders came from the factory pretty much unplayable in the mid sixties as well. Nothing new about their lack of quality control or their arrogant attitude

I bought probably the first AVRI Jazzmaster sold by Fender and the neck would not stay true. We broke the truss rod in it trying to compensate for the 12/52 flats. The slab boards are much more likely to drift than the round lam. I really had to go round and round with those jokers to make them replace the neck. It wasn't a pleasant experience.

I went from a Gibson SG Special to a Fender Stratocaster in June of 1965. I never did get that Strat to even come close to the SG in playability.

It seems like they still, just don't finish the job.

ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

According to the Fender website, the CP JM is supposed to come with Fender Standard Tension Strings, .010 to .046, as is the CP Jag. Mine was delivered with .009 somethings which the guitar was not intonated for. It took a while, and finally had to resort to juststrings.com to get the .010's, which made a difference in playability, but not the buzzing.

Somewhere here I have the model of the Jackson bridge that cured my problem. Luckily for me, it was apparent to my local dealer what the trouble was, and I agreed to the bridge swap, as it was obvious that the saddles were rattling. The CP Jag and JM, the lesser priced Gretsches (can't remember the series name, Electromatics ?) and some Jacksons all have the same basic bridge. Gretsches have allen screw adjustments and the Jacksons have the nylon bushings.

EDIT: The Jackson Bridge is a JT390, http://www.surfguitar101.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7424&highlight=

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most...

I found the CP JM's use a bridge w/ small retaining clips inside the bridge to hold the intonation adjusting screws tight. They are hard to work with and I had lost a couple while trying to reverse the saddles on the lower strings to gain more intonation range. When you pull them out they tend to "jump" away on you. They are kind of a half crescent shape and are very thin. I would check to see if all 6 are there. If they are missing, that could be the problem. I could not find replacements for the ones that I lost in my shop, and ended up getting Gibson style retaining clips for modern tune-o-matic style bridge from stew-mac. My experience w/ the CP JM bridge was very good. I never had a problem w/ any buzzing. I thought it to be a good bridge for this guitar. My only complaint is the difficulty in handling the clips and getting the replacement parts (clips).

I just read an interesting bit on the DiPinto web site. A poster had purchased a guitar from a large mail order firm and found the bridge to be buzzing; a tech had recommended a BuzzStop DiPinto asked him to try a little Vaseline on a toothpick down inside the roller of the bridge, and the poster came back that it had cured the problem.

Worth a try.

Interesting, Sealevel, what you said about the clips in the bridge. Sound like what my father called "Jesus Pins." ( I am sorry if this offends anyone) I do not recall seeing any in the bridge my Jag came with, although I did not disassemble it.

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most...

"Jesus Pins", that's good. Again, no offense to anyone, but that's what you say when they jump away on you. They look like a really tiny and thin version of the retainer clip that you find on a Dunlop strap lock, at least in shape, and in function.

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