spy
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Posted on Feb 21 2009 03:02 PM
Ok so much has been discussed about the Jaguar/Jazzmaster bridge.
But what about Mosrite's bridge?
Which are the best tips and hints for a great set-up?
What are you doing to prevent rattle? 
Vaseline, Loctite, nothing?
And, is there any great tip to prevent tuning problems?
My Mosrite goes out of tune when the tremolo bar goes a little bit far from the body...
When I push it to the body everything is perfect, but at the other side... it doesn't come back to stay in tune. Is this normal?
Are you using a softer or heavier spring?
I put a shim but the problem is still there...
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spy
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 05:51 AM
You're right about the preferences in setup. Of course it's personal...
About the strings, yes I learned by experience that Mosrite is not for big strings. At the moment I'm using 10s and I'm happy with them.
The last time a did a set up to my Mosrite I used electrical tape btw saddles and bridge base. But I felt that the guitar became more muddy!?
Maybe it's only my feeling but this time I was thinking not to use any...
Maybe a little vaseline but I didn't have great results in the past.
That's why I started this thread. I like the idea with felt.
Zak, what would you like to tell me with this?
"If you're using multiple string winds around the tuning pegs, remember that split-shaft tuners (like the Kluson type Mosrites came with) only require 1.5-2 wraps around the shaft as long as the string end is "locked" against the top of the "split". "
I'm using multiple string winds... is this the issue that my guitar goes out of tune? Why? I can't understand it at the moment. Hope you're right!
By the way, my guitar goes out of tune ONLY when I raise the pitch with the trem. It has perfect behavior when I'm lowering the pitch.
The nut is lubricated with graphite powder and the saddles are clean and free of corrosion, they are rolling just perfect.
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 06:08 AM
My experience is: The bigger strings you use the less problems with detuning.
I prefer high tension spring to use big strings on Mosrite. These days I use 11-50 ghs boomers. I would use a higher gauge, but thats Mosrite.
Thats the main reason why I fall in love again and again with Jazz`s or Jags when I can beat the 13-56 gauge flatwounds!
...ah! Never had rattle problems with Mosrites!
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spy
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 08:34 AM
I feel like I'm the only person who has rattle & detuning problems with my Mosrite! 
Ralf, for extremely double picking my OW Jag is my axe! Love it!
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 10:44 AM
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spy
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 11:59 AM
zak
spy
I'm using multiple string winds... is this the issue that my guitar goes out of tune? Why? I can't understand it at the moment. Hope you're right!
It is not "the" issue, but it may be one of several contributing factors. Less winds usually = better tuning stability.
spy
By the way, my guitar goes out of tune ONLY when I raise the pitch with the trem.
Then don't raise the pitch.
I suspect that what's going on here is exactly what I mentioned earlier:
The big problem with tuning is that when strings go sharp or flat people automatically start twisting tuning pegs, when a quick bend usually releases a "bound at the nut" string and returns it to pitch just fine.
Zak, I don't start to twist the tuning pegs when my Mosrite goes out of tune. I bring the tune back by moving the trem arm downwards. And everything is ok.
But this doesn't happen with my Jag or my Strat. Of course they have a different kind of tremolo/bridge....
But if I move the trem arm in any direction soft or hard the guitar comes back in tune. Without helping it by pushing a little bit the trem arm to the body.
I'll try to use less string winds... I'll inform you in a while if I still have tuning problems.
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badash
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 12:06 PM
spy
I'm using multiple string winds... is this the issue that my guitar goes out of tune? Why? I can't understand it at the moment. Hope you're right!
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every extra turn of string is lower down the shaft than the last one. This increases the angle over the nut and gives more friction and pressure on the nut a little, which isn't a problem normally with a well cut nut. But most times the issue is the way the nut slot is cut. Many focus on the fingerboard edge "front lip" of the nut. Very few pay attention to the entire nut slot. The angle and smoothness of the whole nut slot is important for tremolo guitars. If there is already a binding problem, the extra winds can make it worse.
But as Zak said don't pull up except maybe a little when you are wiggling. There's an old joke. "doctor! It hurts when I do THIS!" "So don't do that..." 
Edited to add: All guitars have a personality. Vintage guitars even more due to their age. Sometimes a guitar just doesn't want to do something even if others do. You may never be able to pull up on it.
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 12:26 PM
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 12:33 PM
zak
Can't remember who it was that said "Mosrites are unstable - just like their owners" but there is definitely truth to that.
 I think you're on to something here, Zak...
(Of course, the counterexample to that would be Nokie himself, who seems like about the most stable guy imaginable, though I'm must admit to knowing nothing about his life or personality....)
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badash
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 12:43 PM
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zak
Can't remember who it was that said "Mosrites are unstable - just like their owners" but there is definitely truth to that.
I think you're on to something here, Zak...
(Of course, the counterexample to that would be Nokie himself, who seems like about the most stable guy imaginable, though I'm must admit to knowing nothing about his life or personality....)
You clearly didn't follow the "hitchhiker" or whatever it was called guitar company he tried to start 
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 01:25 PM
Most detuning problems occur at the nut. try lubing the zero fret and nut with vaseline or some silicon type lube. My Hallmark is most happy with 11-49 D'adario 115 XL's I also rap a complete turn of black electrical tape directly behind the bridge around all the stings to eliminate buzzing and drone notes. I also removed all the saddles and pressed the slots tighter where the roller goes through it. That was a big help. I'm not sure about the Mosrite bridge but the Hallmark has locking screws to eliminate the saddle assemblies from rocking around. It seems to work.
ed
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:02 PM
A few observations I have noticed besides the nut, bridge, saddles lube is the amount of slack you have and the 2 bearings at the trem, I have noticed over the summer after acquiring my vintage Mosrite when throwing new strings on besides them being new was every time I barely touch the trem it goes flat or sharp and this was frustrating the crap out of me after taking them off and on I couldn't figure what the hell and wham I lined up the trem/bearings and walla that was the fix and since the find it stays in pitch easy nice flow no matter how much I dive it always comes back to precise pitch/tune, I have also used a bit of WD40 in the bearings and that also seems to help but who knows I guess everything has to be in harmony with any guitar "nut, bridge/saddles, trem" to get the maximum in playability and performance.
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spy
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:05 PM
zak
spy
But if I move the trem arm in any direction soft or hard the guitar comes back in tune. Without helping it by pushing a little bit the trem arm to the body.
This is one of those Mosrite idiosyncratic things you have to live with. I found it a little frustrating at first but it becomes pretty intuitive and reflexive after a while.
Ok. Seems like I'm not the only person who has to live with it!
I thought that I was doing something wrong!
Anyway, I don't have a problem to live with it. It isn't sth important.
Just be more carefull with the trem arm... and don't forget to pull it to hard.
By the way, where are the other Mosrite owners?
zak
badash
All guitars have a personality. Vintage guitars even more due to their age. Sometimes a guitar just doesn't want to do something even if others do. You may never be able to pull up on it.
I might be mistaken but I was under the impression that Spy's guitar was a Japanese reissue Mosrite. Still, they are pretty accurate reissues and suffer from the same problems that the originals did. Old or new...Mosrites certainly have their personalities.
Yes, as said it's a Mosrite Excellent. MIJ Mosrite with its personality!
zak
If a Fender is like a reliable old friend that always shows up (on time!) with a case of beer and never lets you down, then a Mosrite is like a hot girl who complains incessantly, throws a temper tantrum once in a while, breaks a G string and doesn't want to cooperate, but when everything is good its SO good....:lol:
Can't remember who it was that said "Mosrites are unstable - just like their owners" but there is definitely truth to that.
I'm starting to agree with that!
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spy
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:13 PM
diceophonic
A few observations I have noticed besides the nut, bridge, saddles lube is the amount of slack you have and the 2 bearings at the trem, I have noticed over the summer after acquiring my vintage Mosrite when throwing new strings on besides them being new was every time I barely touch the trem it goes flat or sharp and this was frustrating the crap out of me after taking them off and on I couldn't figure what the hell and wham I lined up the trem/bearings and walla that was the fix and since the find it stays in pitch easy nice flow no matter how much I dive it always comes back to precise pitch/tune, I have also used a bit of WD40 in the bearings and that also seems to help but who knows I guess everything has to be in harmony with any guitar "nut, bridge/saddles, trem" to get the maximum in playability and performance.
Kyle
Kyle, when you move the trem arm upwards, does it come back in tune?
That's where I have problem.
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diceophonic
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:18 PM
spy
diceophonic
A few observations I have noticed besides the nut, bridge, saddles lube is the amount of slack you have and the 2 bearings at the trem, I have noticed over the summer after acquiring my vintage Mosrite when throwing new strings on besides them being new was every time I barely touch the trem it goes flat or sharp and this was frustrating the crap out of me after taking them off and on I couldn't figure what the hell and wham I lined up the trem/bearings and walla that was the fix and since the find it stays in pitch easy nice flow no matter how much I dive it always comes back to precise pitch/tune, I have also used a bit of WD40 in the bearings and that also seems to help but who knows I guess everything has to be in harmony with any guitar "nut, bridge/saddles, trem" to get the maximum in playability and performance.
Kyle
Kyle, when you move the trem arm upwards, does it come back in tune?
That's where I have problem.
Upwards downwards? it stays in tune try lining up the trem unit, it moves side to side line it up and lube the 2 bearings that did the trick for me and it stays in tune I'm no expert as I am new to The Mosrite world but it seems to do the trick try it out it worked for my Mosrite and now I'm a happy Mosrite player since finding the trem fix, it's my #1 guitar!!!
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:23 PM
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:23 PM
eddiekatcher
Most detuning problems occur at the nut. try lubing the zero fret and nut with vaseline or some silicon type lube. My Hallmark is most happy with 11-49 D'adario 115 XL's I also rap a complete turn of black electrical tape directly behind the bridge around all the stings to eliminate buzzing and drone notes. I also removed all the saddles and pressed the slots tighter where the roller goes through it. That was a big help. I'm not sure about the Mosrite bridge but the Hallmark has locking screws to eliminate the saddle assemblies from rocking around. It seems to work.
ed
It has locking screws but it doesn't work for me.
What do you mean with the electrical tape? Can you post any pic?
At each string? Or at all of them together?
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spy
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:27 PM
diceophonic
Upwards downwards? it stays in tune try lining up the trem unit, it moves side to side line it up and lube the 2 bearings that did the trick for me and it stays in tune I'm no expert as I am new to The Mosrite world but it seems to do the trick try it out it worked for my Mosrite and now I'm a happy Mosrite player since finding the trem fix, it's my #1 guitar!!!
Kyle
Thanks for that! I'll try it asap!
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diceophonic
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Posted on Feb 22 2009 03:29 PM
Zak thanks man Yeah before I discovered the fix I couldn't find any info on a good fix and I was pretty close to selling the Mosrite that was one of the BIG things in the past to why I never could get into Mosrites but this one was calling me anyways after the discovery of the trem fix/bearings I am so so so beyond happy with my Mosrite you know the feeling 
Kyle
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