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Posted on Nov 10 2008 07:59 PM
came upon this quite by accident a few minutes ago
felt it worthy to share here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYrk1qCoGVQ&feature=related
and some related info from WIKIPEDIA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misirlou
if this has appeared here in SG101 before, please forgive the cross-post
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Posted on Nov 11 2008 09:09 PM
I think Misirlou has gone round a few times, yes! Always new things to learn, though. The video link you linked has been removed by the poster. What was it?
The exact origin of Misirlou is disputed. Apparently several rebetiko groups did it about the same time. Some spelled it M(o)us(o)urlou. The partisans of Michalis Patrino were the last lot to hit Wikipedia, but several others have their partisans.
There are people who claim that the rebetiko groups were covering a song Bint Misr 'Egyptian Girl' by Egyptian composer and nationalist patriot Sayed Darwish (or Darweesh), i.e., "dervish." So far no one has come up with a citation in a discography or other catalog for his version of the song, let alone a circulated a reproduction of a recording or publication of it, though you can fairly easily find other songs by Darwish on the Net. If Bint Misr exists it will only be a matter of time before it turns up. There's a lot more out there on Misirlou now than there was even a couple of years ago.
Darwish, who died of a heart attack in 1923 at the age of 31, is a well known figure in 20th Century Egyptian music and the author of the Egyptian national anthem. He wrote for theatrical companies and also prepared settings for classical poetry. He was very prolific. I've looked around a bit without finding any traces of Bint Misr, but that doesn't mean much. He did write a song called Ya Bint al Yom 'O Girl of Today'. It doesn't really sound at all like _Misirlou _to me, and I doubt anyone would have that particular song in mind.
Given the significance that some people attribute to this sort of thing and its implications for national honor one has to be very cautious in buying into something like the Darwish attribution, but three things strike me about the claim. One is that two or three rebetiko versions appear at almost the same time, two is that even the Greeks partisans seem to realize that it is a bit odd that the Greek lyrics are about an Egyptian Muslim woman (and include a line in Arabic), and three is that the song appears about the time the Ottoman Empire was being dismembered by the Allies after WW I. The Greeks and Egyptians were already independent to one extent or another, but this is when borders were being drawn and populations sorted out in a paroxism of ethnic cleansing that would seem very familiar to us today. In short, the song is suspect as a Greek song and originates at a time when the people and music of the Ottoman Empire were being sorted out along national lines. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the modern Greek lyrics were of Egyptian origin and the same song existed in translations into Greek, Turkish, Armenian, and Albanian with modern members of these nationalities largely unaware of the separated versions.
It also wouldn't surprise me if the tune was already in circulation throughout the Ottoman Empire and the original author of the current lyric simply appropriated it for yet another go round. This is in line with the claims that the song - or at least the melody - is much older than the popular versions in circulation since the 1920s, so conceivably either the rebetikoi or Darwish - whoever it was - could have borrowed the melody. However, evidence for this is weak and poorly documented. "My Armenian grandmother remembers the song from childhood and says there were Armenian words," or "I lived a long time in Albania and heard gypsies play it at weddings." People tend to overlook how easily and widely records have been circulating since they first appeared, and how long it has been since they first appeared. Darwish, for example, recorded for a local Eguptian firm owned and operated by Armenians. Grandmothers can easily remember the 1920s from their childhood these days. My children's grandmother certainly does. It would be fascinating to have an early recording of the piece in Armenian, of course! There may very well be such a thing.
A couple of additional notes. One is that one source I found claims that it was the much maligned Nicholas Roubanis who transposed the melody into the Phrygian mode version that we all know and love through Dick Dale's adaptation. The other is that the Wikipedia article misses a fifth body of admirers of the tune: it was been lifted by Bollywood cinema composers Laxmikant & Pyarelal and used for the song Raat se Kahoo Ruke Jaraa in the movie Lootera 'Pirates' or 'Thieves'. I haven't figured out the title (first line) yet, but it may be something like 'Somewhere in the Night ...'. Apart from the way that Hindi gets butchered when it is converted into Roman orthography, half the words in the title aren't in the best dictionary I have access to anyway. I think they may be Persian or Arabic loans. Raat is definitely 'night'.
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 02:07 AM
this is what is still in the cache of Google for the video link I originally posted, which mysteriously disappeared
YouTube - Misirlou Original Recording
Performed by Michalis Patrinos Rebetiko Band in Athens in ...
4 min 15 sec -
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 03:08 AM
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 05:59 AM
thxxx
but the one I had posted a link to was the ACTUAL original recording
these are cool though
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 06:10 AM
Thanks for a very informative piece here.
I've always liked the Middle East influence in surf - and Misirlou is the archetype tune. Great stuff.
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 09:14 AM
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 09:25 AM
UnsteadyFreddie
but the one I had posted a link to was the ACTUAL original recording
On the link to the Cover Me Please Blog scroll down in the first column to the Misirlou player and try the cut Mousourlou by Michalis Batrinos (Batrinos ~ Patrino(s) ~ Petrino). Isn't this the particular one you referred to?
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 01:44 PM
it had a cover of the record jacket, I believe, for the original recording -- that's all it had, with the original scratchy recording being played
I found this in AMAZON, but this is NOT the cover I had seen (it was a straight green/blue, with text, nothing fancy):
http://www.amazon.com/Egyptian-girl-Misirlou/dp/B0017YNS5C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1226518715&sr=8-1
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 04:24 PM
sorry i'm i just watched the movie 'death proof' the other night. there's a short scene with a jukebox and 'miserlou' is one of the choices they pass by.
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 06:11 PM
UnsteadyFreddie
it had a cover of the record jacket, I believe, for the original recording -- that's all it had, with the original scratchy recording being played
Yeah, I know what you mean. I actually was looking a this about the same time as you and saw that, too, or at least something very like it. The link I drew attention to above is just sound, no video. But it's the same sound, I believe. (And I did snag that video, FWIW, while cruising YouTube, knowing that things like that come and go and I listened to both this morning.)
I don't know if it's the same scratches, since the particular record used to produce the two digital recordings may have a different one with different scratches and/or there may have been different processing to try to erase those.
My understanding is that there are two Michalis Patrinos versions of Mousourlou/Misirlou. One recorded in Greece and one recorded somewhat later in the US. Both distributed in the US. (Gee, this is like collecting surf records!)
My Greek, modern or otherwise, is not what it might be, but that link I mention has a comment in Greek just before the Misirlou audio player widget, which I believe explains that Say(y)ed Darwish/Darweesh's so far not at all clearly attested Bint Misr is supposed to have been recorded in 1919. I believe it starts something like "My mistake: ..." However, the link to the 1956 article on SD that it gives doesn't seem to illuminate that particular issue. It did as I recall explain why SD wasn't your average drug-using, alcohol swilling, music-playing evil musician, so that it was OK for a good Egyptian to like him and admire his music. In essence he and his music were declared religiously and politically correct and given a clean bill of health. (I should reread that to make sure I have it right. It had such an interesting take on things.)
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 06:16 PM
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sorry i'm ![Off Topic Off Topic](/media/smiley/images/icon_offtopic.gif)
Mom, that's at least as on topic as anything else here. I think the topic is Misirlou historical footnotes.
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Posted on Nov 12 2008 06:25 PM
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Posted on Dec 21 2008 02:42 PM
KITCHEN NIGHTMARES.... features the tune...in the shows opening...when the knives are being throwed at the host...
from Dick Rosemonts website...THE ORIGINALS PROJECT
http://www.originalsproject.us/
Misirlou (aka Miserlou) Michalis Patrinos 1930(?) and/or 1931
Greek ???
Harry James, Jan August, Dick Dale (1962, 1993 as "Tribal Thunder"), Beach Boys, Connie Francis et al.
The exact history of "Misirlou" has been lost but it's most likely a Greek song, in the rembetika style, from Smirni (Izmir in Turkey) from the 1910s. The title means "Woman from Egypt" or "Egyptian girl" in Turkish. Many Greeks at that time were living in Turkey, especially Smirni and Istanbul. Even though its authorship is unknown, "Misirlou" has been claimed by many through the years, in particular, Nikos Roubanis. English lyrics were later penned by Fred Wise, Milton Leeds and S.K. Russell.
Patrinos is said to have performed "Misirlou" in Greece as early as 1927, and he is often referenced as the first to cut it, but details are elusive. It's possible he made a recording in Greece around 1930, which was when the poverty-stricken country would have begun to build studio facilities. It's more certain he did at least record it in New York City in 1931.
There are claims "Misirlou" is Arabic in origin, specifically coming from Alexandrian singer/composer Sayyid Darwish and his song "Bint Misr." He supposedly recorded it around 1919 but until a copy surfaces, we'll just have to wonder!
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Posted on Dec 21 2008 02:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIU0RMV_II8
STILL THE BEST VERSION.....
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Posted on Dec 21 2008 02:46 PM
check out Connie Francis actually singing Miserlou! The lyrics are actually pretty cool!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zCo3EnK58
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Posted on Dec 21 2008 02:53 PM
i think this is my favorite Miserlou version yet...i totally dig the finger cymbalsand artistic bellydancer hand gestures...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407xbPG7jOQ&feature=related
and another at dinner:Μισυρλού (Γιώτα Νέγκα)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99Le0vhAGA
i should just run away to egypt or bulgaria or romania or croatia or hungary or somewhere...and join a troupe of traveling folk musicians touring the Eastern Muslim lands...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSAUBJEtyE&feature=related
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Posted on Dec 21 2008 03:02 PM
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Posted on Dec 21 2008 03:51 PM
dp
don't forget the Ukelele Orchestra:
I'll spend the rest of my life trying to forget that. ![Smile Smile](/media/smiley/images/icon_smile.gif)
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Posted on Dec 21 2008 04:12 PM
dp! you must be my long forgotten brother!
How hot is the chick singing Miserlou in your first clip! man, my future ex-wife...
I was told years ago (by a very old woman) that Miserlou was Greek in origin and was played at Greek weddings. ?
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