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Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 127 |
Posted on Nov 14 2008 09:45 AM
At our last show, a guy told us that his professor at Cuyamaca College played Secret Samurai's (our) CD to somehow explain the origins of rap I have a sneaky suspicion that this teacher is on sg101...but whoever and wherever you are Professor, thanks for your support! All your students should be required to pay a lab fee that will cover the cost of various surf CDs. |
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11058 Berkeley, CA 
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 09:53 AM
I'd like to see some academic draw a line from surf to rap, anyone? —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 10:13 AM
Too easy: Wipe Out
Isn't there a San diego band called The Professors? —Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
Joined: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 2684 Ventura, CA
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 10:54 AM
Surfin' Tragedy, Surfin' Bird, and my favorite from SURF CRAZY, Goofy Footer Ho-Dad. |
Joined: Aug 27, 2008 Posts: 1570 New York
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 10:55 AM
It's the Ho-Dad! Haha, that song is hilarious. |
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Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11058 Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 11:03 AM
I meant in a musicology way, come on... —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 1683 Georgia
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 10:27 PM
A relatively new surf album to explain the origins of rap? —The Mystery Men? |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 10:40 PM
Secret Samurai is so bad that it led an entire cultural group to create a brand new genre of music. Of course I think it is a great album and I am not allowed to teach a college course on music history. |
Joined: Sep 01, 2006 Posts: 2732 New Orleans, LA
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 12:50 AM
After my history of rock teacher described surf rock with the beach boys I decided to ride his ass with surf trivia as far as I could go. Usually I would just come up at the end of class and say something like "that 'studio musician' Jerry Cole that you're talking about...." The furthest I got was "That rap song 'Apache'......." — |
Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 08:41 AM
Ha ha ha! Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the link is. I actually think that Zak had much more to do with the creation of the rap genre than The Secret Samurai did Ryan |
Joined: Mar 16, 2007 Posts: 1342 Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 10:04 AM
I think I can explain it with some basic trigonometry: (1) secant² surf music(4θ) / 2 - secant² (4θ) = -1/2 *(sec²(4θ)) (2) tan(x)/(1-cot(x)) + cot(x)/(1-tan(x)) secret samurai = /(1-cot(x))(1-tan(x)) = / (1-tan(x)-cot(x)+cot(x)tan(x)) = sin(x)/cos(x) - sin²(x)/cos²(x) + cos(x)/sin(x) - cos²(x)/sin²(x) / 2-tan(x)-cot(x) = /cos²(x)sin²(x)/ 2-tan(x)-cot(x) = /cos²(x)sin²(x)/ 2-tan(x)-cot(x) = [sin(x)cos(x) -1]/cos²(x)sin²(x)/ 2-tan(x)-cot(x) = sin(x)cos(x) -1 / cos²(x)sin²(x)(2-sin(x)/cos(x)-cos(x)/sin(x)) = sin(x)cos(x) -1/ 2cos²(x)sin²(x) - sin3(x)cos(x) -cos3(x)sin(x) = sin(x)cos(x) -1/ 2cos²(x)sin²(x) - sin(x)cos(x)(sin²(x) + cos²(x)) = sin(x)cos(x) -1 /sin(x)cos(x)(2sin(x)cos(x)-1) = 1/2*csc(x)sec(x) = sec (Secret Samurai) + sin (Ryan) + cos (Lil' Wayne) + tan (on-stage together) = RAP Can someone double check my math? — |
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Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 10:24 AM
That was actually close. But unfortunately it doesn't hold up to a proof by induction. You would first have to find the first derivitave of the square root of ( f(the secret samurai - kool mo dee)2). Since this function is recursive, there is no finite answer. So I think it stands that there is no connection between the Secret Samurai and rap. Sorry fellas. I wanted it to be true too. —Ryan |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19305 Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 10:27 AM
Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 11:52 AM
Ivan |
Joined: Mar 17, 2007 Posts: 839 United Kingdom
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 11:54 AM
I'd quite like to have a go at this but I have to go out to a gig. Maybe I'll have a bash when I come home if no-ones done it by then... —http://www.myspace.com/thepashuns Youth and enthusiasm are no match for age and treachery. |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25600 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 12:09 PM
This story has been told before a few times, but for who hasnt seen it here goes. The Space Cossacks played a show in San Diego at the Tiki House, and Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Joined: Mar 16, 2007 Posts: 1342 Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 04:03 PM
I must've been absent that day from class. I had a blind calculus/trig professor in college. (true story) We weren't allowed to use calculators, but we did sneak them in on tests. As a result, I got a B in the class but didn't learn S#%T. Perhaps I can apply Baye's Therom to draw a proper academic line? — |
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Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 04:17 PM
Actually, the only solution to this problem lies in the Fibonacci series. —Ryan |
Joined: Oct 06, 2008 Posts: 550 So Cal
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Posted on Dec 01 2008 06:17 PM
Surf Music is melody and no lyrics. Rap is lyrics and no melody. The two forms seem to exist on parallel lines with no intersection point. If we move to fields of Non-Euclidean Geometries, where parallel lines meet at infinity, then we have a better chance of showing a connection. The Secret Samurai - Rap connection would follow. "Hello Girls!" |
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