HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1778
Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 05:40 PM
Recently while trying to arrange some gigs for clients I have encountered rules by hotels, resorts & party planners that make it impossible to perform the gig.
Some of the rules encountered are requirements for the band to provide proof of:
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A business license for the city where the gig is to be performed.
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Liability insurance. (we all know surf bands cause riots)
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Workers Compensation insurance.
And the one that really got me:
- No amplifiers, must plug directly into the locations own sound system.
To date this has prevented multiple performances.
Anyone else running into this nonsense or is it just a California thing?
Last edited: Nov 17, 2008 20:07:32
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 05:46 PM
I don't think many of us aspire to playing hotels or resorts.
But those rules really suck. I'm sure many hotels have bars where this probably isn't an issue. Of course a surf band in a hotel bar would probably be an issue due to volume. Hence the no amplifiers rule.
The workers comp insurance is retarded.
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Jagshark
Joined: Nov 05, 2008
Posts: 745
Colorado, home of The Astronauts
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 05:46 PM
Heh.
All of that would be the end of the gig for me.
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DennistheMenace
Joined: Dec 29, 2007
Posts: 714
Southeast, Florida
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 06:15 PM
HBkahuna
Recently while trying to arrange some gigs for clients I have encountered rules by hotels, resorts & party planners that make it impossible to perform the gig.
Some of the rules encountered are requirements for the band to provide proof of:
-
A business license for the city where the gig is to be performed.
-
Liability insurance. (we all know surf bands cause riots)
-
Workers Compensation insurance.
And the one that really got me:
- No amplifiers, must plug directly into the locations own sound system.
To date this has prevented multiple performances.
Anyone else running into this nonsense or is it just a California thing?
At that point, I'd go tell those Sons of Bitches to go do a
"Tapdance across a Minefield," and when they are done
with that, they can start off their Vaunderfil, Vaunderfil Nite
with a Boiling Enema! 
— .......make the Mos' of it,
.....choose the 'rite stuff!
.........owner of 9 Mosrites
proud owner and documented:
1963 "The Ventures" Model s/n# 0038
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Sonichris
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 1899
Wear gloves - I'm in the Rockies
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 06:34 PM
JakeDobner
I don't think many of us aspire to playing hotels or resorts.
These are usually the gigs that are more fun than playing a crappy bar until 2AM.
We played at a hotel for their summer Luau party. really fun gig. We also played at a convention center, and a huge ballroom (twice). And, we played at a local casino a couple times opening for some great national acts that were a ton of fun.
If I never have to play in a crap hole bar again, thats just fine with me.
Oh, and those rules are a joke -
— "You can't tell where you're going if you don't know where you've been"
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DennistheMenace
Joined: Dec 29, 2007
Posts: 714
Southeast, Florida
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 06:46 PM
Oh, and those rules are a joke -
Well, that's good to know, cause I was going to ask
if these Hotels supplied the Reverb Tanks along with
their "Pubic Address System"........... 
— .......make the Mos' of it,
.....choose the 'rite stuff!
.........owner of 9 Mosrites
proud owner and documented:
1963 "The Ventures" Model s/n# 0038
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www.mosriteforum.com
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SURFmole
Joined: Nov 22, 2007
Posts: 901
Portland, OR
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 07:21 PM
HBkahuna
To date this has prevented multiple performances.
Anyone else running into this nonsense or is it just a California thing?
I'd think it was a Ca thing but I don't see:
- Play for free
??
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HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1778
Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 08:03 PM
JakeDobner
I don't think many of us aspire to playing hotels or resorts.
But those rules really suck. I'm sure many hotels have bars where this probably isn't an issue. Of course a surf band in a hotel bar would probably be an issue due to volume. Hence the no amplifiers rule.
The workers comp insurance is retarded.
True, but I was speaking more towards large corporations with lots of money who have company related events at these resorts & need live musical entertainment. These events pay very well but some of the resorts throw so many rules at you it makes the gig impossible. No issues with major chains like the Hilton or Hyatt. It seems to be the upscale boutique resorts with the strange rules.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 08:05 PM
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spskins
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3782
tn
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 09:01 PM
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HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1778
Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 09:05 PM
spskins
Its an Orange County thing. Hardest place to play in the country and, as mentioned, lowest paying.
Actually, this is in L.A. County. The OC in my experience seems to be surf band friendly.
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casey
Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 521
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Posted on Nov 17 2008 10:25 PM
Here in Richmond VA someone is trying to keep a duck pin bowling alley in business. They have been having live music to go with the bowling for a while, usually charging a $5 cover when they have a band. Its been fairly successful so far, so the owner removed several of the bowling lanes and built a nice stage. Then the city officials stepped in - its OK to have bands play in the bowling alley, but they can't play on the newly built stage, as its a bowling alley, not a musical venue. ( The location is in a strip mall with no other stores open at night, so the music would not bother any other tenants) So for now they are continuing to have live music, but the band has to stand on the floor in front of the stage to play. And the city government wonders why businesses are moving out of the city?
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WhorehayRFB
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
Posts: 3331
Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 12:19 AM
HBkahuna
Anyone else running into this nonsense or is it just a California thing?
The Pitcher House in Hermosa Beach, CA (now named something else) had my old band sign a waiver every time regarding volume--if the band was warned more than twice to turn down, the show was over & guarantee forfeited.
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LosDerrumbes
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 58
Santander, Spain
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 02:26 AM
Now I understand why american bands love to come to Spain!!! 
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UnsteadyFreddie
Joined: Feb 28, 2006
Posts: 2979
Hell\'s Kitchen, NYC
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 07:14 AM
I had a real problem this past Summer when I was working with the organizers of MAKE MUSIC NEW YORK
I had organized 12 Hours of Non-Stop Instro Surf -- 6 bands outside (2 pm - 8 pm), 6 bands inside (8 pm - 2 am) at OTTO's SHRUNKEN HEAD
Filled out all these applications
I won't bore you with details, but the Local Police Precinct where OTTO's is located refused to issue the necessary permits to allow the 'outdoor' portion to go forward, forcing me to start earlier 'inside' - and of course had to cut some of the bands
NOT GOOD!! especially after the organizers of the day's event assured me it would not be an issue
we still, in the end, had a great time
UNSTEADY FREDDIE
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pyrobob
Joined: Apr 27, 2006
Posts: 251
Auburn, CA
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 10:07 AM
JakeDobner
Money equals good.
Is that in aggreement or disagreement?
If there are that many hoops to jump through and no way around, the money probably isn't worth it...
I know every year we played the state fair we had to keep track of our merch sales so the state of CA could charge us sales tax & a percentage of sales.
What a great way to support live music...
Bob
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 10:13 AM
Agreement. Money affords the band more opportunities. Any money we ever made went straight to the band fund, so it is quite helpful in that way.
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HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1778
Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 10:23 AM
pyrobob
If there are that many hoops to jump through and no way around, the money probably isn't worth it...
I know every year we played the state fair we had to keep track of our merch sales so the state of CA could charge us sales tax & a percentage of sales.
What a great way to support live music...Bob
Ran into that exact issue at the San Diego County Fair. They would pay a bit more if you didn't sell merchandise. For a bit less money, you could sell merchandise but you had to issue receipts for every item & give 20% to the fair plus pay state taxes which of course would be taxed again when the band declared it on their income tax. The sent me an 11 page pdf of all the rules. The band decided not to play the gig. Other venues like Ventura County fair, very band friendly. No issues at all.
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spskins
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3782
tn
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 10:28 AM
LosDerrumbes
Now I understand why american bands love to come to Spain!!!
Yes, Spain rules! The USA (especially California) has all of these lame rules. And do they provide killer paella and octopus? NO! They point you to the nearest Taco Bell. Do they provide unlimited alcohol and a sweet spread of snacks backstage? NO! They have some limited drink ticket system and some cheap beer (if you demanded it on the front end). Do they provide a nice place to stay and breakfast the next morning? NO! You either 1)rely on friends to uncomfortably crash at their place, trashing their bathroom 2)shell out for a fleabag motel and sneak the rest of the band in, or 3) sleep (not) in the van.
Spain and the rest of Europe treat the bands so much better. Oh and the fans are way more fun too.
PS One time we had to sign a contract that we would refrain from exposing our nipples onstage.
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Ruhar
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 3909
San Diego, CA
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Posted on Nov 18 2008 10:45 AM
Yeah, the San Diego Fair (ex Del Mar Fair) has become pretty ridiculous over the years. 10 years ago, it was a relatively simple and fun gig. Guaranteed $$, show up, play, sell merch.
Also, they haven't quite caught up to technology very well in that they still require hard copy press packs with 8x10 band photos, etc, etc. All this info is so much easier to distribute over the web on a band's website. We haven't played the gig in quite a while, but I did look at the application last year (something like 5 pages!)
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