tonetti
Joined: Aug 20, 2008
Posts: 654
California
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 01:55 PM
I am interested in what you guys use for soundproofing your practice spaces, what works and what does not. I would be happy to hear your stories.
I am using my garage, (practicing Drums) and will be rehearsing with a band once a week and I want to do some sound proofing, I dont need to be totally sound proof, but I would like to quiet it down a bit, my neighbors are pretty cool, and I am not playing all hours of the night, but I think I should show some consideration to my neighbors as they are old, and probably dont have the same appreciation of surf music as I do.
At the moment, I have a virtually empty Garage, with thick insulated, walls the walls have a layer of drywall, and a layer of plywood on top, I have 1 single pane window and a big metal garage door, so you could probably imagine how loud the drums are outside!!
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goober
Joined: Jan 12, 2007
Posts: 317
California
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 02:46 PM
I've been researching the same soundproofing issue for my garage. You might want to check out Green Glue:
http://www.greengluecompany.com/gg-presentation2.php
I read favorable reports but haven't tried anything yet. Maybe someone here can offer successful recommendations.
Goob
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crumble
Joined: Sep 09, 2008
Posts: 3158
Guildford England
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 03:05 PM
Hi
My drummer friend has just completed a sound proofed practice room. It's a brick garage with dry wall and double thick plaster board. He removed the big metal garage door and bricked it up, also built a secondary wall inside which makes a neat little storage area as you walk in. He double glazed the window and laid some good thick carpet.
From what i've read sound gets through door cracks very easy and i'd guess the roof might need special attention if your nextdoor neighbors have upstairs bedrooms. My friends conversion is a complete success you can hardly hear anything from outside.
Just one thing he didn't forsee.. beer drinking pals can be odorous at times so a fan was installed! If sound leaks through the fan then theres a box baffle that's easy to make up.
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2773
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 03:09 PM
Carpet and 3/4 particle board. It's damn difficult to stop those long bass note waves. Lead sheeting would be the best material but it's heavy and expensive. Alternate layers of carpet and particle board will do a pretty good job.....................ed
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 03:15 PM
Building a wall within the walls is a great way to stop sound. The walls shouldn't touch the exterior walls. You lose about 4" along the perimeter but it really cuts down on the noise. The wavy carpet ceiling trick works well too.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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skeeter
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 2063
Virginia, USA
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 03:26 PM
Acoustic foam can be pretty expensive retail, you can get some pretty good deals on ebay.
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Abe
Joined: Mar 12, 2008
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Bay Area
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 10:01 PM
We practice in my garage, and come to think of it I think we should try to sound proof it. When we play you can hear all the noise really loud inside the house. I can't believe my folks put up with all the noise. I know my brothers get annoyed by it though. I think I can say that we are the only band here that practices with the Garage door open which is pretty stupid actually. I bet the neighbors get pretty annoyed, but no complaints so far. We should really try to sound proof it though.
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Mr_Reverb63
Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 916
San Pablo, CA
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Posted on Nov 13 2008 11:40 PM
yeah abe we gotta start closing that garage from now on dude, how would u feel if a shitty band played fucking loud next door to you? hahaha i'd be annoyed and eventually call the cops
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 12:38 AM
Why don't you guys share our rehearsal space with us, $35 a person/month.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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surferXmatt
Joined: Aug 27, 2008
Posts: 1570
New York
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 07:24 AM
I read online years and tried this when my old band recorded last time. We hung heavy sheets surrounding the room about 6 inches from each wall. I guess the theory there is that the sound waves move through the blankets rebound off the wall and are soaked up when they try to bounce back in to the recording area. This worked pretty well for us, and did not cost much.
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surfer
Joined: Apr 12, 2007
Posts: 428
South Florida
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 09:34 AM
Actually the suggestion that Danny made is the best solution. I've built a few recording studios. the window will be your biggest problem, and the garage door your second. Concrete block with hollow cells works, but the lowest frequencies are the real problem, limit the bass gain, and blanket the kic.
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surferXmatt
Joined: Aug 27, 2008
Posts: 1570
New York
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 09:39 AM
My method is totally not permanent and had decent results. Of course it will not stand up to proper sound deadening scenarios.
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tonetti
Joined: Aug 20, 2008
Posts: 654
California
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 10:09 AM
My first thought was to of course plug up all of the gaps, and carpet the entire garage walls and ceiling, I was thinking of building a kind of folding wall on hinges, to take care of the garage door, that way if I had to ever open up the garage door I could. This would be made from pallets, in which I have access to as many as I need. Then I would carpet this folding wall. For the window, some sort of wood/foam/carpet plug?
I have seen alot of info on the subject of soundproofing on the web, and Danny's suggestion of building the room within a room is the ultimate, way to go, which if I wasn't renting my house this is what I would do for sure, but in the mean time, I just want to keep the neighbors at ease.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11046
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 10:58 AM
tonetti
My first thought was to of course plug up all of the gaps, and carpet the entire garage walls and ceiling, I was thinking of building a kind of folding wall on hinges, to take care of the garage door, that way if I had to ever open up the garage door I could. This would be made from pallets, in which I have access to as many as I need. Then I would carpet this folding wall. For the window, some sort of wood/foam/carpet plug?
I have seen alot of info on the subject of soundproofing on the web, and Danny's suggestion of building the room within a room is the ultimate, way to go, which if I wasn't renting my house this is what I would do for sure, but in the mean time, I just want to keep the neighbors at ease.
Maybe it's because I'm a carpenter, but building a small room in a room seems an easy project. Just nailing together some 2x4's and drywalling it. You can always make the walls bolt together so they're easily removed.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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tonetti
Joined: Aug 20, 2008
Posts: 654
California
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Posted on Nov 14 2008 12:03 PM
DannySnyder
tonetti
My first thought was to of course plug up all of the gaps, and carpet the entire garage walls and ceiling, I was thinking of building a kind of folding wall on hinges, to take care of the garage door, that way if I had to ever open up the garage door I could. This would be made from pallets, in which I have access to as many as I need. Then I would carpet this folding wall. For the window, some sort of wood/foam/carpet plug?
I have seen alot of info on the subject of soundproofing on the web, and Danny's suggestion of building the room within a room is the ultimate, way to go, which if I wasn't renting my house this is what I would do for sure, but in the mean time, I just want to keep the neighbors at ease.
Maybe it's because I'm a carpenter, but building a small room in a room seems an easy project. Just nailing together some 2x4's and drywalling it. You can always make the walls bolt together so they're easily removed.
I'm not a carpenter, but I do have the tools to do something like this, I'm just not sure if I want to throw a bunch of money at a project of this scale in a house I am just renting. I do like the idea of bolting the walls together so they can be removed. I didnt think of this. Thanks Danny.
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MrSpaghetti
Joined: Nov 11, 2008
Posts: 91
Detroit, MI
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 09:45 AM
my drummer used packaging foam (not the foam peanuts but sheets) that he got a good deal on and covered our rehearsal room's wall in this. the sheets are about 3x3 and 2-3 inches thick... it works pretty good to deaden the sound. and if you have any connections within commercial shipping or packaging you can get it for almost free or pretty close to it.
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donsdad
Joined: May 20, 2008
Posts: 169
NW Florida
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 11:34 AM
I'd just like to remind anyone considering using foam that some of it will burn very rapidly. Make sure that what you are using wont set your house on fire under certain circumstances.
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Mrgreen
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
Posts: 351
Toronto, ON
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Posted on Nov 15 2008 11:59 PM
I've heard egg cartons are pretty useful for lining the walls of a sound-proof rooms. The downside is that spiders find this a perfect habitat so you'd have to be careful with that.
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estreet
Joined: Mar 17, 2007
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United Kingdom
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Posted on Nov 16 2008 01:13 AM
Everyone used to use egg-cartons in the '70s. They are not much use - certainly not for keeping the sound from going out. Sound-proofing is a pretty complex science and something like egg-cartons will only have a mild dampening effect on a very narrow range of frequencies. If you are trying not to annoy the neighbours then it's the bass frequencies that will be the problem and they are the hardest to stop as they will travel through the floor via vibration. When a room is properly soundproofed they will saw through the joists and 'float' the floor on rubber vibration-absorbing mountings.
However, if you are talking about making the space more dead to improve the sound for you - then you can't go wrong with carpets, heavy curtains and soft furnishings. I keep a big old sofa in my studio room for just this reason - and have heavy velvet curtains on my doors etc.
I am lucky in that my house is a big old 1900 brick-built place with double-glazing. Although the next door house is only about 15ft away I can make as much noise as I like and it doesn't seem to bother them.
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dboomer
Joined: Jan 05, 2009
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Port Hueneme, CA
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Posted on Jan 08 2009 11:54 PM
Depends on what you mean by soundproof. If you mean to keep the sound inside from leaking to the outside you will need to fill ALL air gaps first (think leaking boat). Second is cover over all windows with something with a lot of mass ... sheetrock or MDF. If you have a garage door you'll need to wall over it. Otherwise you are wasting your time. Once you're here ... add all the mass to the walls that you can with a second or third layer of sheetrock. You can add layers of Celotex between the layers of sheetrock.
Are you on a slab floor? there quickly becomes a point at which the floor couples more than the walls. The next step is to float your drums up off the floor. Build a platform with 2x4 for a frame. cover with MDF top and bottom and fill it with sand. Float the whole thing up off the floor on rubber pads.
Eggcrates, blankets on the walls, curtains, foam etc will do nothing to prevent the sound leaking out but will tame down the sound inside the room. If you decide to use any of these materials make certain they are flameproof.
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