RaistMagus
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Posted on May 19 2013 08:13 AM
I'm thinking of getting a baritone guitar to have along with my strat. I've never played one and I know nothing about them. I guess a tele body with a baritone neck and a bigsby would kick some serious ass. I'm looking for something on the cheap side.
What are your recommendations? Do they require different pickups that the normal tuned guitars?
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Posted on May 19 2013 08:19 AM
If you search for "baritone" you'll find pages of conversations about baritone guitars. But here's something I hadn't seen before. It looks really interesting. A Gretsch Jet Baritone guitar, with Bigsby.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gretsch-guitars-g5265-jet-baritone-electric-guitar
This looks almost perfect. A Fender Pawn Shop Bass VI Baritone with offset-style vibrato. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/bass/fender-pawn-shop-bass-vi-electric-baritone-guitar
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Posted on May 20 2013 09:49 AM
Fender Bass VI PS or the Jaguar Custome Baritone.
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Posted on May 20 2013 10:24 AM
Eastwood has some options, including a Sidejack Baritone and a Sidejack Bass VI.
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Posted on May 20 2013 10:52 AM
killbabykill34 wrote:
Eastwood has some options, including a Sidejack Baritone and a Sidejack Bass VI.
I've looked at them too. I'm working on some things where I need to go down to C below low E on my guitar. Using the whammy bar doesn't sound right and drop-tuning poses all sorts of other problems. And playing the part on my bass really doesn't sound right either; the tone's all wrong.
I was pretty excited when Fender came out with the Telecaster Baritone. It sounds pretty good.
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LeeVanCleef
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Posted on May 20 2013 11:32 AM
I think those Blacktops use conversion necks. If that's confirmed you could buy just the neck from eBay and put it on the body of your choice.
Danelectro has issued baritone versions of more or less all their designs at some point or other. That would be the cheapest option I think. But no trem...
Rondo music usually have a few baritones (offsets, thinlines, LPs and possibly others) on their online catalog. Look for the 627 code (6 strings, 27" scale I suppose). They are very cheap, not sure about quality. I remember people on SG101 saying the cheaper, normal scale SX Liquids from Rondo were ok.
Also, you'll want to pay attention to scale depending on what tuning you want to use. Bass VIs are 30" scale which allows an E to E tuning. Danos are 28,75" (I think) which should be ok for A to A or at least B to B. The blacktop Tele is 27" and I'm not sure you can comfortably tune them lower than C to C, maybe B to B as well?
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Posted on May 20 2013 11:37 AM
Thanks! The Teles are B to B. The one he played was. Would lower be nice? Probably. I like the idea of E to E tuning. Decisions, decisions.
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Posted on May 20 2013 11:56 AM
One suggestion, get something that can be set up with regular, albeit heavier guitar strings. The Baritone gauges while sounding tradition can limit the use of the instrument.
We build these for a lot of studio players who still want to be able to play "normal" lead guitar lines but have the luxury of low tunings and a vibrato.
Probably more expensive than most people want to spend but you get the idea in this video:
O.K. for some reason the video link wants to take you to another demo video (Jaguar Pickups) of ours so if this doesn't work and you have a minute check out the video demo we made called Alto Fullerton.
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Posted on May 20 2013 11:57 AM
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Posted on May 20 2013 12:04 PM
CrazyAces wrote:
One suggestion, get something that can be set up with regular, albeit heavier guitar strings. The Baritone gauges while sounding tradition can limit the use of the instrument.
We build these for a lot of studio players who still want to be able to play "normal" lead guitar lines but have the luxury of low tunings and a vibrato.
Probably more expensive than most people want to spend but you get the idea in this video:
O.K. for some reason the video link wants to take you to another demo video (Jaguar Pickups) of ours so if this doesn't work and you have a minute check out the video demo we made called Alto Fullerton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_DxlKag-CI
B to B? I ask because you know how it is. I can really use a C below low E now, but what will I need later? And the Fullerton sounds terrific. Why'd you call it an Alto?
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CrazyAces
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Posted on May 20 2013 12:19 PM
B to B, yes sir. I know one guy who tunes his to C
We called it an Alto because of the diversity it offers, being a little more guitar like with the .012 - .054 D'Addario EXL 145's with an unwound .020 G
And, well, we just didn't want to call it a Bari because here in Nashville people think big strings and limited use when they think Bari.
FWIW, The Eastwood Bass VI is very cool but sounds more like a bass. Oscar, our bass player uses one and we're astounded at how full and bass-like it is.
There Bari's would be a better choice for a guitar player....UNLESS he or she wants a bass as well
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Posted on May 20 2013 12:31 PM
CrazyAces wrote:
B to B, yes sir. I know one guy who tunes his to C
We called it an Alto because of the diversity it offers, being a little more guitar like with the .012 - .054 D'Addario EXL 145's with an unwound .020 G
And, well, we just didn't want to call it a Bari because here in Nashville people think big strings and limited use when they think Bari.
FWIW, The Eastwood Bass VI is very cool but sounds more like a bass. Oscar, our bass player uses one and we're astounded at how full and bass-like it is.
There Bari's would be a better choice for a guitar player....UNLESS he or she wants a bass as well
I already have a bass. That isn't the tone I want to hear when I'm playing my guitar and want to keep playing down from low E into the next octave. So, yeah, your guitar sounds perfect. I'm kinda thinking either the Tele or Pawn Shop VI Baritone would get me what I want, depending on how low I want to go.
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CrazyAces
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Posted on May 20 2013 12:37 PM
Either of those would work great.
I've had a couple custom shop Bari Tele's come through the shop, they were cool. Good platform, pickup/sound wise.
I think in a lot of cases it's the Low E to E that can make some of these sound too Bass-like.
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RaistMagus
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Posted on May 20 2013 12:39 PM
The fender bass vi seems like overkill to me, I'd like something that's closer to a guitar.
Danos, tele and Eastwood seem like the best choices. Is it that simple to convert a tele to baritone? Just a longer scale neck?
From the youtube videos I find Eastwood's P90s to be too dark and mellow sounding. I much more prefer the lipstick sound, next comes the Gretsch.
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Posted on May 20 2013 12:46 PM
FWIW, all of the Eastwood P-90's I've encountered in the last few years were pretty bright, much brighter and clearer than a newer Gibson P-90.
I agree, Listicks do sound great with Bari's though.
Allparts offers conversion necks which work fine for Tele and Strat.
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Posted on May 20 2013 12:48 PM
RaistMagus wrote:
Is it that simple to convert a tele to baritone? Just a longer scale neck?
Yes, if said neck is a conversion neck, i.e. it has been made to adapt to a body with normal (25.5") scale bridge placement.
I'm pretty sure the Blacktop tele neck is a conversion neck for 27" scale bari scale (better check that though!). Warmoth also make a 28,75" scale conversion neck. So yes, you should be able to use a normal 25.5" scale body with either of those without having to move the bridge.
EDIT: look here.
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Posted on May 20 2013 01:05 PM
Boy have I found a guitar for a baritone conversion then. I know where one of these is available for a song. Or is this a terrible idea?
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Posted on May 20 2013 01:23 PM
Not a terrible idea at all but you might want to change that humbucker out for something clearer for cool bari tones.
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Posted on May 20 2013 01:30 PM
CrazyAces wrote:
Not a terrible idea at all but you might want to change that humbucker out for something clearer for cool bari tones.
Any recommendations?
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Posted on May 20 2013 01:39 PM
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