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Marty,
Sorry to hear that we've gotten onto a different track from
what you expected. For the record, I was riffing in what I
thought was a vein of humor. I wasn't truly suggesting that
anyone be subjected to monkeyhood. (Damn, I just did it
again, didn't I? Curses. Sorry 'bout that.)
On the serious side, yes, the scientific method is highly
applicable when devising a testing methodology. For the
most part, you're correct, and I agree with you.
And to put the matter in perspective, any one test run
(one gig) is what we call a suspicious sample. This kind
of experiment should run for at least five, but preferably
ten iterations. That way, you can run one amp for a full
gig, with fake switching, at least once, and possibly twice.
The rest of the time, you do blind A/B testing, and track
the results. This will eliminate such variables as the
venue or room (unless you're the houseband), and repeat
participants, except for your groupies. <g> The wider
the variety of input, the less chance there is for a
variable to introduce a hidden bias, thus the less
suspect will be your results.
OK, let's get Bruce back into this. Bruce, what do you want
to do? Run a serious test, or just mess with your friend's
heads for awhile? <g> I'm sure we've given you enough ideas
to mull over for awhile, right?
unlunf
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not following this, unlunf. The scientific method (in the
> form of probability) is a major asset in betting money. One can
> not make a monkey out of the genuinely interested. One can only
> make a monkey out those who are disgenuously interested.
>
> Concerning the A/B test, it doesn't matter if there is suspicion
> in a case where both heads are being used because the test is no
> longer presented as "Guess what kind of amp you're listening to".
> Instead, the test is presented as, "Some of these sounds are from
> a Crate and some are from a Fender tube amp.Can you tell the
> difference?" And yes, there should be fake switching among the
> true switching.
>
> -Marty
>
You've definitely put forth some very interesting ideas, and I have to admit,
the perverse side of me feels sorely tempted to induct a few of these side-line
self-appointed experts, into full monkeyhood, in public!
It is so much easier to criticize than to actually perform - I'd love to see
some of the more vocal critics have the balls to get up on the stage and prove
that they can do what I do, and back up their criticisms by doing it as well or
better. It's taken me nearly 40 years of constant practice, to develop as far
as my limited talent will allow. Nearly 40 years of playing different guitars
and amps, using different gear and accessories, to arrive at making the exact
musical statement I want to make.
I'm only too happy to listen to what others have to say, if it's based on
actually having done something comparable. That's why I value input from people
such as Marty T, Rob W, Ivan P, Mel W, Ferenc D, Dave W, Paul J, and Jon B, all
performers who've paid their dues, and then some!
The surf "pundits" who are between their early 20's and mid-30's, simply have
NOT been the places I've been, and we'll see if they're still singing the same
tune 20-30 years from now.
Longboard Ranch played its first gig almost exactly 7 years ago. We've worked
hard to develop a credible reputation as a trad surf band, and to a certain
degree, we've been successful at reaching that goal.
That's at least partly due to us having listened to the advice of people who
had actually earned the right to voice opinions and suggestions. And, I've
found that most of them are not likely to razz another surf musician because of
his rig - a totally superficial and shallow kinda thing to do in the first
place!
All music, surf-music included, is all about sound and tone, NOT the specifics
of the musicians' instruments and rigs. Whatever works to produce a correct
sound and tone, is GOOD! IMHO those who argue otherwise, still have much to
learn.
Bruce D
unlunf <> wrote:
Marty,
Sorry to hear that we've gotten onto a different track from
what you expected. For the record, I was riffing in what I
thought was a vein of humor. I wasn't truly suggesting that
anyone be subjected to monkeyhood. (Damn, I just did it
again, didn't I? Curses. Sorry 'bout that.)
On the serious side, yes, the scientific method is highly
applicable when devising a testing methodology. For the
most part, you're correct, and I agree with you.
And to put the matter in perspective, any one test run
(one gig) is what we call a suspicious sample. This kind
of experiment should run for at least five, but preferably
ten iterations. That way, you can run one amp for a full
gig, with fake switching, at least once, and possibly twice.
The rest of the time, you do blind A/B testing, and track
the results. This will eliminate such variables as the
venue or room (unless you're the houseband), and repeat
participants, except for your groupies. <g> The wider
the variety of input, the less chance there is for a
variable to introduce a hidden bias, thus the less
suspect will be your results.
OK, let's get Bruce back into this. Bruce, what do you want
to do? Run a serious test, or just mess with your friend's
heads for awhile? <g> I'm sure we've given you enough ideas
to mull over for awhile, right?
unlunf
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not following this, unlunf. The scientific method (in the
> form of probability) is a major asset in betting money. One can
> not make a monkey out of the genuinely interested. One can only
> make a monkey out those who are disgenuously interested.
>
> Concerning the A/B test, it doesn't matter if there is suspicion
> in a case where both heads are being used because the test is no
> longer presented as "Guess what kind of amp you're listening to".
> Instead, the test is presented as, "Some of these sounds are from
> a Crate and some are from a Fender tube amp.Can you tell the
> difference?" And yes, there should be fake switching among the
> true switching.
>
> -Marty
>
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Well, I guess this means I have to unsuscribe, since I'm only 23. Clearly my
opinion on surf-related matters doesn't mean anything.
See you all in ten or fifteen years. I might just have actually earned the
right to participate by then.
-Warren
bruce duncan <> wrote:
>The surf "pundits" who are between their early 20's and mid-30's, simply have
NOT >been the places I've been, and we'll see if they're still singing the same
tune 20-30 >years from now.
>That's at least partly due to us having listened to the advice of people who
had >actually earned the right to voice opinions and suggestions.
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Surf music is supposed to be fun. While blues chronicles losing your
woman and boozing it up, while country & western tells stories like
making love to your pickup truck, and punk is angry at anything, R &
B songs are about begging to be loved, etc.,surf music is about fun.
So, whatever makes you feel or do or play with to make you happy
playing surf, as far as I am concerned, is good enough. I clearly am
not an expert like the others in here seem to be but the reason I
play surf is because it is fun to play, part of that fun is also
getting that nice sound that is so sweet when done right. Stick
around, this group needs more 20's to 30's to insert some fresh
energy and ideas. Surf should be big enough to allow different
expressions and genres.
--- In , Warren Binder
<captainspringfield@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I guess this means I have to unsuscribe, since I'm only 23.
Clearly my opinion on surf-related matters doesn't mean anything.
>
> See you all in ten or fifteen years. I might just have actually
earned the right to participate by then.
>
> -Warren
>
> bruce duncan <wetreverb@...> wrote:
>
> >The surf "pundits" who are between their early 20's and mid-
30's, simply have NOT >been the places I've been, and we'll see if
they're still singing the same tune 20-30 >years from now.
>
> >That's at least partly due to us having listened to the advice of
people who had >actually earned the right to voice opinions and
suggestions.
>
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Bruce, I have to say you came of more than a little pretentious,
holier-than-thou, and self-righteous. We love you but some of your
statements were over the top as far as bragging goes. This was a very
un-Socratic post. We were having a good debate about gear and then you
lord over everybody about having more experiance, being a better
guitarist, and several of us as being too young. Why can us peons not
have an opinion? Sure our opinion differ but we listen to yours. Sure
we refute them as your ours, but that is call debate and rhetoric.
Did all of this get started over A/B testing? That is ridiculous. I
hate A/B testing. Play what you think sounds, and really more
importantly to me, feels and plays better. It isn't the Pepsi challenge.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@...> wrote:
>
> You've definitely put forth some very interesting ideas, and I have
to admit, the perverse side of me feels sorely tempted to induct a few
of these side-line self-appointed experts, into full monkeyhood, in
public!
>
> It is so much easier to criticize than to actually perform - I'd
love to see some of the more vocal critics have the balls to get up on
the stage and prove that they can do what I do, and back up their
criticisms by doing it as well or better. It's taken me nearly 40
years of constant practice, to develop as far as my limited talent
will allow. Nearly 40 years of playing different guitars and amps,
using different gear and accessories, to arrive at making the exact
musical statement I want to make.
>
> I'm only too happy to listen to what others have to say, if it's
based on actually having done something comparable. That's why I
value input from people such as Marty T, Rob W, Ivan P, Mel W, Ferenc
D, Dave W, Paul J, and Jon B, all performers who've paid their dues,
and then some!
>
> The surf "pundits" who are between their early 20's and mid-30's,
simply have NOT been the places I've been, and we'll see if they're
still singing the same tune 20-30 years from now.
>
> Longboard Ranch played its first gig almost exactly 7 years ago.
We've worked hard to develop a credible reputation as a trad surf
band, and to a certain degree, we've been successful at reaching that
goal.
>
> That's at least partly due to us having listened to the advice of
people who had actually earned the right to voice opinions and
suggestions. And, I've found that most of them are not likely to razz
another surf musician because of his rig - a totally superficial and
shallow kinda thing to do in the first place!
>
> All music, surf-music included, is all about sound and tone, NOT
the specifics of the musicians' instruments and rigs. Whatever works
to produce a correct sound and tone, is GOOD! IMHO those who argue
otherwise, still have much to learn.
>
> Bruce D
>
> unlunf <unlunf@...> wrote:
> Marty,
>
> Sorry to hear that we've gotten onto a different track from
> what you expected. For the record, I was riffing in what I
> thought was a vein of humor. I wasn't truly suggesting that
> anyone be subjected to monkeyhood. (Damn, I just did it
> again, didn't I? Curses. Sorry 'bout that.)
>
> On the serious side, yes, the scientific method is highly
> applicable when devising a testing methodology. For the
> most part, you're correct, and I agree with you.
>
> And to put the matter in perspective, any one test run
> (one gig) is what we call a suspicious sample. This kind
> of experiment should run for at least five, but preferably
> ten iterations. That way, you can run one amp for a full
> gig, with fake switching, at least once, and possibly twice.
> The rest of the time, you do blind A/B testing, and track
> the results. This will eliminate such variables as the
> venue or room (unless you're the houseband), and repeat
> participants, except for your groupies. <g> The wider
> the variety of input, the less chance there is for a
> variable to introduce a hidden bias, thus the less
> suspect will be your results.
>
> OK, let's get Bruce back into this. Bruce, what do you want
> to do? Run a serious test, or just mess with your friend's
> heads for awhile? <g> I'm sure we've given you enough ideas
> to mull over for awhile, right?
>
>
> unlunf
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@>
wrote:
> >
> > I'm not following this, unlunf. The scientific method (in the
> > form of probability) is a major asset in betting money. One can
> > not make a monkey out of the genuinely interested. One can only
> > make a monkey out those who are disgenuously interested.
> >
> > Concerning the A/B test, it doesn't matter if there is suspicion
> > in a case where both heads are being used because the test is no
> > longer presented as "Guess what kind of amp you're listening to".
> > Instead, the test is presented as, "Some of these sounds are from
> > a Crate and some are from a Fender tube amp.Can you tell the
> > difference?" And yes, there should be fake switching among the
> > true switching.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
>
>
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I guess for the last 20 years the surf groups I hung out with, and performed
with, were from another planet.
We didn't do much singing. We played instrumentals about 99% of the time.
Stretch
>--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@...> wrote:
>>
>> The surf "pundits" who are between their early 20's and mid-30's,
>simply have NOT been the places I've been, and we'll see if they're
>still singing the same tune 20-30 years from now.
While I am big on A/B testing, its only for the protection of those who would be
fooled by the emporers new clothes (primarily me). There are a lot of snake-oil
salesmen out there who make purely anecdotal claims and too many of us buy into
those claims whether there is any truth to them or not. There's also too much
unfounded urban legend that goes unchallenged. When someone says that a given
NOS tube makes a great difference in tone, I don't accept it even if it has
become the general consenses. I know how we are conditioned to endear the old
stuff so I want to hear if there really is a difference.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Dobner
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:12 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New Fender Jazzmaster
...I hate A/B testing. Play what you think sounds, and really more
importantly to me, feels and plays better. It isn't the Pepsi challenge.
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Yeah, Warren, count me off the list too!
What I find funny about Bruce's comment is that all the original surf
musicians were considered old men if they were in their 20s and 30s.
I think Burt Bertrand was probably in his late 40s or 50s when he
was managing Eddie and the Showmen and the Crossfires. Of course
times have changed, and I don't think age matters as much now, and I
know guys in their 40s in better shape than me. But what I dig so
much about the orignal artists is what they did when they were still
young, and in most cases it's better than what they did when they got
older. There was almost a graceful ignorance about what they did to
get their tone, and if my only concern when I was 17 was hoisting my
Showman cab over my head while walking through the Rendezvous
Ballroom, and playing to some hot chicks, then I'd have my mind on
other things as well.
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
> Well, I guess this means I have to unsuscribe, since I'm only 23.
Clearly my opinion on surf-related matters doesn't mean anything.
>
> See you all in ten or fifteen years. I might just have actually
earned the right to participate by then.
>
> -Warren
>
> bruce duncan <wetreverb@...> wrote:
>
> >The surf "pundits" who are between their early 20's and mid-30's,
simply have NOT >been the places I've been, and we'll see if they're
still singing the same tune 20-30 >years from now.
>
> >That's at least partly due to us having listened to the advice of
people who had >actually earned the right to voice opinions and
suggestions.
>
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Did I start this, or what?!
After all this, I'll be lucky if BN just throws me out,
but still leaves me with my manhood intact. Geez, what
have I done here?
OK, that was the sort-of-funny side. Now I'll try to
be at least straight, but not so serious that I come
off like some kind of masked avenger. I needn't go
on and on, because everyone here has already expressed
my thoughts, with a couple of minor exceptions.
One) This is all under the subject line "New Jazzmaster".
This has got to be a record for going off-topic, no?
Two) Bruce's second long message was aimed at 'pundits',
not young people in general. The dictionary definition
of pundit is one who has the ear of many others, but
may not be well qualified to deserve that cachet.
Three) It follows that age has no lock on worthiness of
opinion. Warren, I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I
don't know you from Adam, so I haven't sought out your
opinions on anything. However, at least one other
member here values your 'insightfulness', so from now
on, you can be sure that I will pay attention when you
speak out. Hope that helps, FWIW.
And now, on with the show!!! <g>
unlunf
--- In , "unlunf" <unlunf@...> wrote:
>
> Did I start this, or what?!
No.
>
> After all this, I'll be lucky if BN just throws me out,
> but still leaves me with my manhood intact. Geez, what
> have I done here?
Huh?
BN
Crazy as it may be, let's just break this down plain and simple:
Play what you want, for whatever reason you want. If somebody gives
you shit, just say "fuck it".
What else is there? What if I want to play surf on a Jackson Explorer
through a Marshall half stack?? Is it any less surf than my Mosrite
through my Dual Showman?
I say do what you want to do, let the critics be damned.
~Bill~ (getting older and older by the day at age 25)
Bill could be my grandfather.
I would say yes to the Half Stack and Jackson Explorer but no to a
full stack and Gibson explorer. For obvious reasons though.
--- In , "Bill Bergstrom"
<swingin_cat@...> wrote:
>
> Crazy as it may be, let's just break this down plain and simple:
>
> Play what you want, for whatever reason you want. If somebody gives
> you shit, just say "fuck it".
>
> What else is there? What if I want to play surf on a Jackson Explorer
> through a Marshall half stack?? Is it any less surf than my Mosrite
> through my Dual Showman?
>
> I say do what you want to do, let the critics be damned.
>
>
> ~Bill~ (getting older and older by the day at age 25)
>
Right on the money Bill, just don't play a Mosrite (snicker snicker).
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bergstrom
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New Fender Jazzmaster
Crazy as it may be, let's just break this down plain and simple:
Play what you want, for whatever reason you want. If somebody gives
you shit, just say "fuck it".
What else is there? What if I want to play surf on a Jackson Explorer
through a Marshall half stack?? Is it any less surf than my Mosrite
through my Dual Showman?
I say do what you want to do, let the critics be damned.
~Bill~ (getting older and older by the day at age 25)
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Right on, fellas, right on.
Jake... I'm glad you're another one who realizes that the Jackson and
the half-stack are the sound of the future. Maybe if The Lava Rats
play with The 'Verb sometime, we can share that backline ;D
Marty... God, whatever was I thinking? You're totally right --
Mosrites are crap. Jeez, I can't believe I was actually thinking of
getting another one. And hey, since they're so lame, why don't you
let me swing by your place with my car and pick up all those useless
ones you have sitting around your place?? (Might as well throw in the
Mosrite amp while you're at it)
Snicker snicker, back to practice...
~B~, who despite his old age, just booked his flight and hotel for the
Pilgrims/Nebulas show in Portland.
You should have come to see The 'Verb with Satan's Pilgrims and the
Nebulas in Seattle instead of the Portland show. But what would you
know. You only play Mosrites.
-- In , "Bill Bergstrom"
<swingin_cat@...> wrote:
>
> Right on, fellas, right on.
>
> Jake... I'm glad you're another one who realizes that the Jackson and
> the half-stack are the sound of the future. Maybe if The Lava Rats
> play with The 'Verb sometime, we can share that backline ;D
>
> Marty... God, whatever was I thinking? You're totally right --
> Mosrites are crap. Jeez, I can't believe I was actually thinking of
> getting another one. And hey, since they're so lame, why don't you
> let me swing by your place with my car and pick up all those useless
> ones you have sitting around your place?? (Might as well throw in the
> Mosrite amp while you're at it)
>
> Snicker snicker, back to practice...
>
> ~B~, who despite his old age, just booked his flight and hotel for the
> Pilgrims/Nebulas show in Portland.
>
I sure don't see my posting as "lording" anything over anyone. What you call
bragging is a statement of facts - We worked hard, are proud of what we've been
able to accomplish, and have been receptive to advice from day one.
What I said was meant to be a poke at "gear orthodoxy", and a nudge to others
to be more open-minded to new developments. I doubt most of those who dismiss
the new compact Crate and Fender amps have even visited a music dealer to test
them.
I love old Fender tube amps, and alternate them versus the Crate Power Block
at our gigs because Fender amps are the standard by which I measure the sound I
make. The Crate Power Block seems a very acceptable substitute for most gigs.
In talking about the younger "pundits" I was referring to those who criticize
others, without having done what the people they criticize, are extending
themselves to do.
Finally, I commented that dissing players based on their gear is shallow,
since it's all about the sound, (and the fun of making a truly surfy sound, I
might add).
Sorry if that ruffled feathers - didn't mean to - and I don't see what's wrong
in valuing the opinions of others, based on their actual credentials and
experience.
Peace
Bruce D
Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
Bruce, I have to say you came of more than a little pretentious,
holier-than-thou, and self-righteous. We love you but some of your
statements were over the top as far as bragging goes. This was a very
un-Socratic post. We were having a good debate about gear and then you
lord over everybody about having more experiance, being a better
guitarist, and several of us as being too young. Why can us peons not
have an opinion? Sure our opinion differ but we listen to yours. Sure
we refute them as your ours, but that is call debate and rhetoric.
Did all of this get started over A/B testing? That is ridiculous. I
hate A/B testing. Play what you think sounds, and really more
importantly to me, feels and plays better. It isn't the Pepsi challenge.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@...> wrote:
>
> You've definitely put forth some very interesting ideas, and I have
to admit, the perverse side of me feels sorely tempted to induct a few
of these side-line self-appointed experts, into full monkeyhood, in
public!
>
> It is so much easier to criticize than to actually perform - I'd
love to see some of the more vocal critics have the balls to get up on
the stage and prove that they can do what I do, and back up their
criticisms by doing it as well or better. It's taken me nearly 40
years of constant practice, to develop as far as my limited talent
will allow. Nearly 40 years of playing different guitars and amps,
using different gear and accessories, to arrive at making the exact
musical statement I want to make.
>
> I'm only too happy to listen to what others have to say, if it's
based on actually having done something comparable. That's why I
value input from people such as Marty T, Rob W, Ivan P, Mel W, Ferenc
D, Dave W, Paul J, and Jon B, all performers who've paid their dues,
and then some!
>
> The surf "pundits" who are between their early 20's and mid-30's,
simply have NOT been the places I've been, and we'll see if they're
still singing the same tune 20-30 years from now.
>
> Longboard Ranch played its first gig almost exactly 7 years ago.
We've worked hard to develop a credible reputation as a trad surf
band, and to a certain degree, we've been successful at reaching that
goal.
>
> That's at least partly due to us having listened to the advice of
people who had actually earned the right to voice opinions and
suggestions. And, I've found that most of them are not likely to razz
another surf musician because of his rig - a totally superficial and
shallow kinda thing to do in the first place!
>
> All music, surf-music included, is all about sound and tone, NOT
the specifics of the musicians' instruments and rigs. Whatever works
to produce a correct sound and tone, is GOOD! IMHO those who argue
otherwise, still have much to learn.
>
> Bruce D
>
> unlunf <unlunf@...> wrote:
> Marty,
>
> Sorry to hear that we've gotten onto a different track from
> what you expected. For the record, I was riffing in what I
> thought was a vein of humor. I wasn't truly suggesting that
> anyone be subjected to monkeyhood. (Damn, I just did it
> again, didn't I? Curses. Sorry 'bout that.)
>
> On the serious side, yes, the scientific method is highly
> applicable when devising a testing methodology. For the
> most part, you're correct, and I agree with you.
>
> And to put the matter in perspective, any one test run
> (one gig) is what we call a suspicious sample. This kind
> of experiment should run for at least five, but preferably
> ten iterations. That way, you can run one amp for a full
> gig, with fake switching, at least once, and possibly twice.
> The rest of the time, you do blind A/B testing, and track
> the results. This will eliminate such variables as the
> venue or room (unless you're the houseband), and repeat
> participants, except for your groupies. <g> The wider
> the variety of input, the less chance there is for a
> variable to introduce a hidden bias, thus the less
> suspect will be your results.
>
> OK, let's get Bruce back into this. Bruce, what do you want
> to do? Run a serious test, or just mess with your friend's
> heads for awhile? <g> I'm sure we've given you enough ideas
> to mull over for awhile, right?
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> unlunf
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> --- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@>
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> >
> > I'm not following this, unlunf. The scientific method (in the
> > form of probability) is a major asset in betting money. One can
> > not make a monkey out of the genuinely interested. One can only
> > make a monkey out those who are disgenuously interested.
> >
> > Concerning the A/B test, it doesn't matter if there is suspicion
> > in a case where both heads are being used because the test is no
> > longer presented as "Guess what kind of amp you're listening to".
> > Instead, the test is presented as, "Some of these sounds are from
> > a Crate and some are from a Fender tube amp.Can you tell the
> > difference?" And yes, there should be fake switching among the
> > true switching.
> >
> > -Marty
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Bruce has been genuinly helpful and friendly to me in off-list
conversations about gear purchase. His avdice as far as I have checked
it was sound. I just thought that needed to be on record too.
it cracks me up to see IMHO in Bruce's post though, 'cause H he aint.
no problem, no value judgement, just a statement of fact. everyone here
brings his/her personality, which makes this a cool place to be. There
is currently no one on this list (posting at least) that I wouldn't buy
a beer would they happen to pass through my city. Those with a sense of
surfrelated-yahoo-group-history will realize that's something to
cherish (sp?)
and now, I am SO looking forward to threads that are about the subject
rather then about the poster.
WR
Jake Said:
> You should have come to see The 'Verb with Satan's Pilgrims and the
> Nebulas in Seattle instead of the Portland show. But what would you
> know. You only play Mosrites.
Ah, Jake, you know I would have but there are three tiny problems:
1) Airfare/hotel was about a hundred bucks cheaper to Portland than
Seattle from here in SF, and on a teacher's paycheck, I'm already
forfeiting almost a quarter of my monthly paycheck to make this
happen
2) As a teacher, I'm DEAD by Fridays, so getting out of school and
then baseball practice (JV coach, baby!!!), I would have to
basically go straight to the airport and the club. That equals
exhausted Bill too tired to drink... which would be sacreligious.
3) It's Saint Patty's day, and it's my contractual obligation being
partially Irish to get royally plowed that night, then wake up to a
hung-over flight, only to get the hair of the dog up in Portland.
If it weren't for all those factors, I would have gone to both
shows. And there's always the summertime, where, as a teacher, I
can get plowed every day and have time to do the things I really wan
to.
Break a string for me,
~B~
