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Ivan,
GuyaTone, from Japan.
Had one while stationed in Germany as a GI in the mid 60's.
Not very loud, too much middle (a bit muddy), MOR reverb, ditto
for the tremolo, but very light to schlep around, and quite
easy on a GI's wallet. <g>
unlunf
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> ....
> Speaking of Ventures amps, I've long wondered which amps they are
> seen playing on the cover of the On Stage - Around the World
> Album. Any idea?
>
> Ivan
>
--- In , "Jerry" <jerry.soetewey@b...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm just wondering, does anyone know exactly what type of Fuzz
> pedal the ventures used on their Albums? I'm especially looking
> for the "Bee" sound.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Jerry S.
--- In , "timothy sullivan" <supertonesurf@h...>
wrote:
>
> it was the mosrite fuzzrite,the ventures were the first to use a
> fuzz in a rock recording it was on(the ventures "surfing" album the
> song was "barefoot adventure"1963).
>
> tim sullivan
> the supertones
--- In , "Cajuna Gabensma" <kawentzmann@m...>
wrote:
>
> That was before 66, right? Back then there was no such thing as a
> Fuzzrite. Somebody built one for them. Like on the Surfing With
> album, it's a slightly different distortion, not as radical, but
> fuzzy. They also had a compressor custom-built.
>
> KK
>
KK is correct, the name Fuzzrite didn't come about until March or
April of '66. Also, Maestro wasn't spun off from Gibson until even
later in 1966. For the Surfing With album, the Ventures used a
Gibson FuzzTone (all one word, and not custom at all). After that
though, I'd put down some money on them using a Fender Blender to
get that the 'Bee' sound. That's how I got it, way back when. <g>
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> Didn't the "2000 lb. Bee" single preceed the Surfing Album?
Might have in an off-shore recording, somewhere on this planet. Not
so in the US succession of albums. I've got 'em all, right here in
my hot little hands, wanna check 'em over with me? <g>
unlunf
In the event that anyone would like to pursue this fuzz thang in more
depth I have posted the Mosrite and the Maestro schematics here:
<>
<>
Hi ,
I read somwhere that the schematic for the Fuzz-rite is in
incomplete??(perhaps a salestrick? for another botique Mosrite Based
fuzz?)
I'm seriously considering building my own, looks like an interesting
expirience. There seams to be only one problem, the "TZ82" components
are not widely available anymore (so I was told, while discusing the
schematic with a tech friend of mine) Any idea on a eqivalent for the
"TZ82"? I also won't be using "germanium" components, since I'm not
looking to build this thing too expensive, more like a test.
I also used to have a Shaller "Fuzz-Wah" (vintage) but I did not like it
a lot, way to muddy imo. Swapped it for a very cool Dynacord Echo unit
though.
Thanks,
Jerry S.
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Jerry,
Not only the transistors are a problem also the pots are non standard values
And yes it is not sure that the schematic is correct.
The best thing you can do if you want to build one is to do a search for
fuzzrite" on
There you can find a lot of info, mods, alternate schematics and components.
Roland Bettenville
-------Oorspronkelijk bericht-------
Van: Jerry
Datum: 10/16/05 10:32:48
Aan:
Onderwerp: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures Fuzz question
In the event that anyone would like to pursue this fuzz thang in more
depth I have posted the Mosrite and the Maestro schematics here:
<>
<>
Hi ,
I read somwhere that the schematic for the Fuzz-rite is in
incomplete??(perhaps a salestrick? for another botique Mosrite Based
fuzz?)
I'm seriously considering building my own, looks like an interesting
expirience. There seams to be only one problem, the "TZ82" components
are not widely available anymore (so I was told, while discusing the
schematic with a tech friend of mine) Any idea on a eqivalent for the
"TZ82"? I also won't be using "germanium" components, since I'm not
looking to build this thing too expensive, more like a test.
I also used to have a Shaller "Fuzz-Wah" (vintage) but I did not like it
a lot, way to muddy imo. Swapped it for a very cool Dynacord Echo unit
though.
Thanks,
Jerry S.
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After that (66)> though, I'd put down some money on them using a Fender Blender
to
> get that the 'Bee' sound. That's how I got it, way back when. <g>
But Fender says on the web the Blender was marketed in 68:
"This classic octave/fuzz pedal was initially available in 1968, and while
production ceased in
1977"
KK
Jerry
these guys
sell cheap germanium transistors, - but it's probably for
experimentation because i doubt they have the types you're looking
for.
I picked this up from the fulltone website about the Soulbender which
I have...
"Our Soul-Bender is based on the legendary Colorsound and Vox Series
2III ToneBenders made by Sola-Sound/England in the late '60's that
was used by Beck and Page on much of their circa 1968-70
recordings."
all i can say is that it's a very smooth fuzz, with a lot of
possiblity to shape sound. appearantly fulltones '69 is a bit
rougher. I think they have soundsamples on the site -
www.haarguitars.nl sells fulltones.
I still think the verbafuzz gets you closer then anything ...
WR
--- In , "Jerry" <jerry.soetewey@b...>
wrote:
>
> In the event that anyone would like to pursue this fuzz thang in
more
> depth I have posted the Mosrite and the Maestro schematics here:
>
> <>
>
>
> <>
>
>
> Hi ,
>
> I read somwhere that the schematic for the Fuzz-rite is in
> incomplete??(perhaps a salestrick? for another botique Mosrite Based
> fuzz?)
>
> I'm seriously considering building my own, looks like an interesting
> expirience. There seams to be only one problem, the "TZ82"
components
> are not widely available anymore (so I was told, while discusing the
> schematic with a tech friend of mine) Any idea on a eqivalent for
the
> "TZ82"? I also won't be using "germanium" components, since I'm not
> looking to build this thing too expensive, more like a test.
>
> I also used to have a Shaller "Fuzz-Wah" (vintage) but I did not
like it
> a lot, way to muddy imo. Swapped it for a very cool Dynacord Echo
unit
> though.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Jerry,
Go ahead and use a 500K pot in place of the 350K unit, and
likewise for the 33K pot, a 50K unit will work just fine.
As for the transistors, germanium units are expensive, but
on the other hand, why go to all the trouble of building a
unit that won't sound the same as the original, if it
doesn't have roughly the same parts in it? Try to find
the moolah, and use the right technology. <g>
Not sure I like the design though. Too many complex
factors to go into it here, but if you or anyone else is
interested, reply to me personally, and I'll give you my
analysis.
unlunf
--- In , "Roland Bettenville"
<roland.bettenville@t...> wrote:
>
> Jerry,
> Not only the transistors are a problem also the pots are non
> standard values. And yes it is not sure that the schematic is
> correct. The best thing you can do if you want to build one
> is to do a search for fuzzrite" on
> There you can find a lot of info, mods, alternate schematics and
> components.
>
> Roland Bettenville
>
> In the event that anyone would like to pursue this fuzz thang in
> more depth I have posted the Mosrite and the Maestro schematics
> here:
>
>
>
>
>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> I read somwhere that the schematic for the Fuzz-rite is in
>> incomplete??(perhaps a salestrick? for another botique Mosrite
>> Based fuzz?)
>>
>> I'm seriously considering building my own, looks like an
>> interesting expirience. There seams to be only one problem,
>> the "TZ82" components are not widely available anymore (so I was
>> told, while discusing the schematic with a tech friend of mine)
>> Any idea on a eqivalent for the "TZ82"? I also won't be using
>> "germanium" components, since I'm not looking to build this thing
>> too expensive, more like a test.
>>
>> I also used to have a Shaller "Fuzz-Wah" (vintage) but I did not
>> like it a lot, way to muddy imo. Swapped it for a very cool
>> Dynacord Echo unit though.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jerry S.
>
KK,
Right, but when did the infamous 'Bee' recording come out?
And I didn't mean to give the impression that I was using a
Blender in 66, it was a few years later. I'm sure I already
had it when I first heard that particular album, so it was
a natural to first try what I already had. Wasn't it? <g>
I was a GI stationed in Germany about then, IIRC, so for me,
the time frame may be a bit out o' whack. <g>
BTW, my unit didn't have any octave capability. Never saw any
such in later years either, as a repairman in various shops.
Doesn't mean they don't exist, just means that they must be
pretty rare.
unlunf
--- In , "Cajuna Gabensma" <kawentzmann@m...>
wrote:
>
>> After that (66)> though, I'd put down some money on them using a
>> Fender Blender to get that the 'Bee' sound. That's how I got it,
>> way back when. <g>
>
> But Fender says on the web the Blender was marketed in 68:
> "This classic octave/fuzz pedal was initially available in 1968,
> and while production ceased in 1977"
>
> KK
>
The Mosrite Fuzzrites only used Germanium Transistors in the initial
run, most of them used silicon transistors. Germanium Transistors
don't work well if they get cold. A problem I have often found here in
the snowy north east, my other germanium fuzz boxes sound like poop
for our 6 months of winter. (They sound great during our 2 months of
summer though!)
FuzzRite info...
I have a Ashbass FuzzBrite and it sounds excellent. Ashley dissected
several Fuzzrites to make sure she has her circuit correct.
Unfortunately she wraps her circuit in what looks like a wad of chewed
up bubblegum so it is impossible to compare it to a schematic. My
brother has one of the Sanner reissues (Sanner worked a Mosrite) and
the Fuzzbrite sounds almost identical to his.
FuzzBrite info (the MP3 samples don't do it justice!)
Zone
On 10/17/05, unlunf <> wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Go ahead and use a 500K pot in place of the 350K unit, and
> likewise for the 33K pot, a 50K unit will work just fine.
> As for the transistors, germanium units are expensive, but
> on the other hand, why go to all the trouble of building a
> unit that won't sound the same as the original, if it
> doesn't have roughly the same parts in it? Try to find
> the moolah, and use the right technology. <g>
>
> Not sure I like the design though. Too many complex
> factors to go into it here, but if you or anyone else is
> interested, reply to me personally, and I'll give you my
> analysis.
>
>
> unlunf
>
