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-Billy,
to tell you the truth, Until you get a reverb tank, you don't
sound like many of the other surf guitarists out now.
sorry man, I had to take the opening while I had it.
Who loves ya man?,
Jeff(bigtikidude)
-- In , <scanman@a...> wrote:
> To tell you the truth. I just pick up that funny lookin' wooden
thing with 6 strings made out of pig guts and do the best I can.
> I figure if I really wanted to sound like another band, I might as
well throw a cd player on stage and pop in their Cd...........
> I guess what I'm sayin' is, I don't wanna sound like anybody,
except me.
> B-B-O
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Casey Cash <surfgitar@y...> wrote:
> > Wasn't the 1st (hit) version by the Ventures done with all major
> > chords (A-G-F-E), even though the A major was technically in a
> > different key? I think so. The later version (WDR '65?) may have
used
> > an A minor. As far as "Apache goes, I have a transcription by Fred
> > Sokolow that goes Am-Dm..... then D(major)-G-Dm when the melody
goes
> > up a fourth. Just realized that I've been playing the 2nd part Dm-
G-Dm
> > and never noticed.
> > Casey
> >
> > --- In , <scanman@a...> wrote:
> > > I would say Am with WDR cause the lead guitarist is playing the
> > main riff using the Am scale. It would'nt work with a A Major
scale.
> > > On a different topic, don't the Shawdows close Apache with an A
> > Major chord?
> > > Billy
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- Marty Tippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > > I don't know about that D or Dm in Apache, John. I'm still
tryin'
> > to figure out if the Venrtures were playing A or Am as the first
chord
> > of WDR. Yes, Am fits the key but may are convinced it's A and it
is
> > hard to tell. Is this the same problem with Apache?
> > > > -Marty
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: john.blair@s...
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:57 PM
> > > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Shadows vs. Jorgen Ingman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Both the Ingman and Shads' versions of "Apache" are
important
> > for different
> > > > reasons. I think Ivan's last sentence in the post below
sums up
> > both sides
> > > > of this thread.....it was the Shadows that made the song
into a
> > classic,
> > > > even if Ingmann's version was more popular in the US. 'Nuff
> > said.....
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have any comments on the use of a D major chord
versus
> > Dm for the
> > > > verses (assuming y'all play this in the key of Am)? Let's
see
> > if this is a
> > > > worm can opener.....
> > > >
> > > > jb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> "ipongrac"
> >
> > > >
<ipongrac@g...
> >
> > > >
om>
> > To
> > > > Sent by:
> >
> > > >
SurfGuitar101@yah
> > cc
> > > >
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> >
> > >
>
> > Subject
> > > > [SurfGuitar101] Re:
> > Shadows vs.
> > > > 10/03/2005 12:35 Jorgen Ingman.
> > was...Junior plays
> > > > PM the
Ventures
> >
> > >
>
> >
> > >
>
> >
> > > > Please respond
to
> >
> > > >
SurfGuitar101@yah
> >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > --- In , Phil Dirt
<phildirt@r...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > If you lived in the US in the sixties, you likely had no
idea
> > who the
> > > > > Shadows were, but you heard Jorgen Ingmann's "Apache" on
the radio
> > > > all
> > > > > the time.
> > > >
> > > > No question.
> > > >
> > > > > How can you condemn the Ingmann version without hearing
it? Beyond
> > > > > this list, there is no controversy.
> > > >
> > > > I have heard it, and even have the entire Ingmann "Apache"
album
> > > > (where he's wearing the silly Indian chief headgear) and
think it's
> > > > good - good in a sense of Les Paul, whom I'm a big fan of.
It's
> > not a
> > > > rock'n'roll song.
> > > >
> > > > > It's not a "Shadows" song. They got it from a song writer.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I don't think this is quite right. of course Lordan
wrote the
> > > > melody, but to see the Shadows brilliance, listen to the
version of
> > > > the song by Bert Weedon, an easy-listening Brit guitarist
of the
> > > > time. He was quite popular, and Lordan first gave him the
song. He
> > > > recorded it but didn't release it until after the Shadows
had a hit
> > > > with their version. Weedon's version is boring, boring,
boring.
> > It's
> > > > got nothing. What makes Apache great, and what makes it
just as
> > much
> > > > of a Shadows songs as Walk, Don't Run is a Ventures song,
is their
> > > > indivudual trademark sound and arrangement (and nevermind
the intro
> > > > and outro, as well as the middle breakdown part, which all
were
> > > > authored by the Shads). I do believe that the Shadows must
get
> > the at
> > > > least some of the credit for the greatness of that song -
and BTW,
> > > > Ingmann copied the Shadows arrangement very closely.
> > > >
> > > > > It's just a matter of where you were at the time,
> > > > > or your personal taste, nothing more.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, nobody's arguing that. But I just want to make
sure that
> > > > people understand is that it was the Shadows that made that
song
> > into
> > > > a classic, even if Ingmann's version was more popular in
the US.
> > > >
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