Nokie Edwards tone on Ventures Live In Japan '65

dagogo

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Posted on May 05 2009 12:42 PM

I love this tone.
I always heard the ventures used Showmans, but this tone is kinda raunchy. Is he using some type of pedal? Really hot pickups on a Mosrite?

Any ideas?

http://www.amazon.com/Live-Japan-65-Ventures/dp/B000002TX2

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Posted on May 05 2009 01:13 PM

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Posted on May 05 2009 01:14 PM

I can't imagine that there were very many pedals available in '65, just guessin' here.

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Posted on May 05 2009 01:20 PM

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IvanP

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Posted on May 05 2009 02:19 PM

zak
The DeArmond mercury switch tremolo pedal was available in the late 40s.
Lots of volume pedals available from the 50s onwards.
Chet Atkins was using a home-made wah pedal as early as '61.

I think that was probably the DeArmond 610 Volume/Tone pedal - works as a volume pedal moving up/down, and as a 'tone' pedal rotating left/right - like a tone knob on a guitar, giving a bit of a wah sound, but without active circuity. I have one of those from '58, so they were available at least since then. I'm pretty sure Chet used them quite early on.

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JohnnyMosrite

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Posted on May 05 2009 03:02 PM

I love this tone.
I always heard the ventures used Showmans, but this tone is kinda raunchy. Is he using some type of pedal? Really hot pickups on a Mosrite?

Closest rig I've found by happenstance:
A real early 60's Mosrite and a Solidstate Yamaha G-100(-II) head and matching 4X12 cabinet... pretty darn close to the 65 'Live on Stage' sound.

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Posted on May 05 2009 03:12 PM

what year solidstate yamaha G-100 (-II) are talking about,is that a new or a old amp

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JohnnyMosrite

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Posted on May 05 2009 03:31 PM

what year solidstate yamaha G-100 (-II) are talking about,is that a new or a old amp

It's the black face/black grill cloth model from the 1980s.. you often see the smaller variants - G212, G210.. going on EBAY for a few hundred bucks. I can't speak for those in sound. But The G-100-II has a pretty sounding raunch to it.

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Posted on May 18 2009 10:37 PM

zak
...On their '66 and '67 Japanese live recordings (check out the "Live Again" and "On Stage - Encore" records, recorded on the '66 and '67 tours, respectively) they have wimpier tones (Fender amps?) and Nokie pulls out a Fuzzrite on a couple of songs...but the '65 "Live In Japan" sound is a Mosrite, bridge pickup, and a Guyatone amp, nothing else.

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Nokie's tone on the "Live in Japan '65" CD is indeed purdy good but they don't sound as good on the original lp of the same recordings. The original live lp was called "All About the Ventures" and the tones were more similar to what we hear on the later live lps from Japan. For the CD, Ron Furmanek went to the multi-track tapes and did a nice job getting good tones and repositioning the drums in the mix. -Marty

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Posted on Jun 09 2009 10:58 PM

Sounds to me like mosrite and a showman, on Telstar the bass player plays nokie's guitar and amp and that sounds to me like harmonic vibrato

I dont think its the guyatone

Just my $.02

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Posted on Jun 09 2009 11:06 PM

There are 3 songs in this clip

the last is telstar

thats got to be harmonic vibrato in the verse

The showman grits up when turned up, esp with no verb.

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dagogo Joined: May 05, 2009 Posts: 1	Posted on May 05 2009 12:42 PM I love this tone. I always heard the ventures used Showmans, but this tone is kinda raunchy. Is he using some type of pedal? Really hot pickups on a Mosrite? Any ideas? http://www.amazon.com/Live-Japan-65-Ventures/dp/B000002TX2 Top
zak Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2728	Posted on May 05 2009 01:13 PM This post has been removed by the author. Last edited: Sep 27, 2009 19:51:49 Top
Jagshark Joined: Nov 05, 2008 Posts: 745 Colorado, home of The Astronauts	Posted on May 05 2009 01:14 PM I can't imagine that there were very many pedals available in '65, just guessin' here. — (defunct) Thee Jaguar Sharks Plus! Other stuff not surf: https://soundcloud.com/jamesmileshq Enjoy every minute Top
zak Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2728	Posted on May 05 2009 01:20 PM This post has been removed by the author. Last edited: Sep 27, 2009 19:51:53 Top
IvanP Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10320 southern Michigan	Posted on May 05 2009 02:19 PM zak The DeArmond mercury switch tremolo pedal was available in the late 40s. Lots of volume pedals available from the 50s onwards. Chet Atkins was using a home-made wah pedal as early as '61. I think that was probably the DeArmond 610 Volume/Tone pedal - works as a volume pedal moving up/down, and as a 'tone' pedal rotating left/right - like a tone knob on a guitar, giving a bit of a wah sound, but without active circuity. I have one of those from '58, so they were available at least since then. I'm pretty sure Chet used them quite early on. — Ivan Lords of Atlantis on Facebook The Madeira Official Website The Madeira on Facebook The Blair-Pongracic Band on Facebook The Space Cossacks on Facebook The Madeira Channel on YouTube Top
JohnnyMosrite Joined: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 858 New York City area	Posted on May 05 2009 03:02 PM I love this tone. I always heard the ventures used Showmans, but this tone is kinda raunchy. Is he using some type of pedal? Really hot pickups on a Mosrite? Closest rig I've found by happenstance: A real early 60's Mosrite and a Solidstate Yamaha G-100(-II) head and matching 4X12 cabinet... pretty darn close to the 65 'Live on Stage' sound. Top
supertonesurf Joined: Apr 28, 2006 Posts: 419 n.y.c.	Posted on May 05 2009 03:12 PM what year solidstate yamaha G-100 (-II) are talking about,is that a new or a old amp — Facebook pages theSupertones or @ Timothy C Sullivan Top
JohnnyMosrite Joined: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 858 New York City area	Posted on May 05 2009 03:31 PM what year solidstate yamaha G-100 (-II) are talking about,is that a new or a old amp It's the black face/black grill cloth model from the 1980s.. you often see the smaller variants - G212, G210.. going on EBAY for a few hundred bucks. I can't speak for those in sound. But The G-100-II has a pretty sounding raunch to it. Top
Nokie Joined: Oct 06, 2008 Posts: 549 So Cal	Posted on May 18 2009 10:37 PM zak ...On their '66 and '67 Japanese live recordings (check out the "Live Again" and "On Stage - Encore" records, recorded on the '66 and '67 tours, respectively) they have wimpier tones (Fender amps?) and Nokie pulls out a Fuzzrite on a couple of songs...but the '65 "Live In Japan" sound is a Mosrite, bridge pickup, and a Guyatone amp, nothing else. . Nokie's tone on the "Live in Japan '65" CD is indeed purdy good but they don't sound as good on the original lp of the same recordings. The original live lp was called "All About the Ventures" and the tones were more similar to what we hear on the later live lps from Japan. For the CD, Ron Furmanek went to the multi-track tapes and did a nice job getting good tones and repositioning the drums in the mix. -Marty — "Hello Girls!" Top
scotstandard Joined: Nov 09, 2008 Posts: 1140 Davenport Iowa	Posted on Jun 09 2009 10:58 PM Sounds to me like mosrite and a showman, on Telstar the bass player plays nokie's guitar and amp and that sounds to me like harmonic vibrato I dont think its the guyatone Just my $.02 — Give me reverb or give me death! facebook.com/onenightstandards https://www.youtube.com/scotstandard scotstandard@yahoo.com Top
scotstandard Joined: Nov 09, 2008 Posts: 1140 Davenport Iowa	Posted on Jun 09 2009 11:06 PM There are 3 songs in this clip the last is telstar thats got to be harmonic vibrato in the verse The showman grits up when turned up, esp with no verb. — Give me reverb or give me death! facebook.com/onenightstandards https://www.youtube.com/scotstandard scotstandard@yahoo.com Top

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