Tqi
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Posted on Oct 24 2023 06:31 PM
It really is - as a bonus, here it is against a Jaguar as well -
I think this is why all the "Jag-Stang 2.0"'s look so wrong to me. The guitar started as a simple composite, but the truth is, it's actually a completely unique shape. Assuming we trust the Fender schematic... the only part that's actually still "the same" is the Mustang horn.
Somewhat unrelated, I forgot to post this earlier - basically the only time these four will be together before the white-tip Jaguar gets guillotined.
This is a reasonable amount of silver glitter.
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synchro
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Posted on Oct 24 2023 08:05 PM
Man TQI, that’s almost enough Offsets. (Spoken as a 4 Offset owner, myself).
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edwardsand
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Posted on Oct 24 2023 10:53 PM
I personally would be inclined to make a better composite body based on those overlays. The lower horn is fine, but where the Jag-Stang goes pear shaped the most is the upper waist - way too constricted. And then the upper left of the body is too short compared to the lower left - makes it look very saggy, like a plastic model left out in the sun too long. Or like maybe some drunk guy drew it on a napkin.
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edwardsand
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Posted on Oct 24 2023 10:54 PM
And offsets, I have like 3 or 4 or 5...depending on what counts.
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Tqi
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Posted on Oct 25 2023 02:35 AM
Man TQI, that’s almost enough Offsets. (Spoken as a 4 Offset owner, myself).
And offsets, I have like 3 or 4 or 5...depending on what counts.
Please note the Bass VI is purple glitter and therefore not in this photo.
Reddit /r/offset rules apply. An offset is a guitar, where drawing a line across the waist, the line is not perpendicular to the line of the neck. So, a Gibson Firebird? Super curvy, very much looks li.. nope. straight waist, not an offset.
Technically the strat is an offset, but only very slightly, so tends to be discounted from the list because otherwise every bloody Starfire and Encore would count too.
And..
I personally would be inclined to make a better composite body based on those overlays. The lower horn is fine, but
Redfeather said the same thing, and as I said to them at the beginning of the thread, I get it, but I spent six months doing that and I hated everything I came up with, and I hated everything anyone else came up with.
I think this is why all the "Jag-Stang 2.0"'s look so wrong to me. The guitar started as a simple composite, but the truth is, it's actually a completely unique shape.
The only way to make the top as big as the bottom left is to scale the jaguar horn back to full size, which then really off balances the Mustang side. If you loosen the waist, it loses all the definition from the shape of the upper horn - and if you just cut off the bottom left, the top right is unbalanced. My whole point of sharing the top image is that thinking of it as half a Jaguar and half a Mustang isn't really helpful any more. That's only how it started. And like I told Redfeather - the shape grew on me over time, and if I wasn't going to make this shape, I'd just make a Cyclone - which I don't want to do.
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Tqi
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Posted on Oct 25 2023 02:31 PM
Just for fun... took the hardware off the top-down of the Fender 2021, the neck off the top-down of the Squier 2022, and tweaked the mockup.
I get the body shape is unpopular here. But I'm happy with it. 
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synchro
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Posted on Oct 25 2023 04:21 PM
Tqi wrote:
Just for fun... took the hardware off the top-down of the Fender 2021, the neck off the top-down of the Squier 2022, and tweaked the mockup.
I get the body shape is unpopular here. But I'm happy with it.
I love it.
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edwardsand
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Posted on Oct 25 2023 07:35 PM
Tqi - I did recall you saying you were all in on using the original Jag-Stang body, and that's fine by me, and I have to say the mock up of your design is probably the most pleasing Jag-Stang design I've seen. Mainly I commented on the shape because you provided that great diagram overlaying the shapes of the three guitars - it helped me think about how I would change things if it were my project. And since it's not - keep at it!
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Tqi
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Posted on Oct 25 2023 07:57 PM
Here's my best previous mockup from trying this years back:
Overlaid with the scaled Fender Schematic of the real one (pink).
Looks more "vintage Fender" at first glance, but closer up the angles are chaos, the front is unbalanced and it's more Jazzmaster than Jaguar. 
and I have to say the mock up of your design is probably the most pleasing Jag-Stang design I've seen.
You flatter me. Ryan's "Dick Dale Jag-Stang" still wins I think. 
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Tqi
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Posted on Oct 29 2023 10:55 AM
Made time this weekend to get into the hackerspace, and as a bonus I brought £60 of Poplar with me. Currently I'm struggling to get the thing flat enough but that's a work in progress.
As I mentioned, I already have a lovely "finished" poplar blank ready to go at home - but to put this in context, the first time I used a plane since I turned 16, was Friday. So, as I also mentioned before - I'm going to put together a prototype body for the Duo-Sonic neck mainly to get some practice at the basic woodworking skills. That's what the new poplar is for. The timber merchant estimated it at about 10+-2% so that's a little high but not ridiculously so. Apart from the piece I'm practicing with now, the rest of the wood (a little under 3800x200x51mm) is sitting on the floor in my study, which happens to be heated. We'll see what happens.
Meanwhile, looking at a picture is all well and good but...
There's a lot to be said for having a physical object to handle and feel.
12mm ply (I think that's french for "half inch") because it's what was going spare in the woodstore here. This isn't meant to be a router template, but to give me a feel for the shape and size of the guitar, and try and get a better eye on the design with an actual neck on it for comparison. So ply is fine. I'll pick up some chonk fibreboard before I carve actual templates.
And with double sided tape applied:
As a comparison, the red outline here is what I'm using as a template - a rescale of the Fender Jag-Stang "schematic" following the sizing of a Mustang plan found online. I think I declare that "close enough" to both the Fender and Warmoth reference images?
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Tqi
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Posted on Nov 18 2023 11:35 AM
I've been bedridden all week, so no going to the hackerspace to try milling out the cab again. Also no going to work. Or, outside at all.
Most of the week I've not been able to do anything useful, but I managed to get enough braincells together to do some math with a tracing someone on OSG sent me.
I was as much as 12mm too small in places. Which is a liiittle bit beyond my "close enough" margin. So, really glad I measured twice before I cut anything valuable.
And I just ordered a Mustang hardtail. It was the only Fender Mustang tailpiece I can find anywhere in the UK, it was selling for about 45% of retail for the part, and I'm about 73% confident I can retrofit a CV or VM cigar and hardware onto it if I come across such things somewhere.
It'll do for now. Speaking of "do for now", I'm also officially committing to using the CV Jaguar bridge on this at the start - I still think a Staytrem is the long term plan, but why throw deliberate issues in my way. I will literally have the CV bridge spare (I can't use it when I put the Mustang neck on the Jag because of radius, so it's getting an MiJ Jaguar bridge) so why not put it to use??
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 18 2023 04:56 PM
Tqi wrote:
I've been bedridden all week, so no going to the hackerspace to try milling out the cab again. Also no going to work. Or, outside at all.
Most of the week I've not been able to do anything useful, but I managed to get enough braincells together to do some math with a tracing someone on OSG sent me.
I was as much as 12mm too small in places. Which is a liiittle bit beyond my "close enough" margin. So, really glad I measured twice before I cut anything valuable.
And I just ordered a Mustang hardtail. It was the only Fender Mustang tailpiece I can find anywhere in the UK, it was selling for about 45% of retail for the part, and I'm about 73% confident I can retrofit a CV or VM cigar and hardware onto it if I come across such things somewhere.
It'll do for now. Speaking of "do for now", I'm also officially committing to using the CV Jaguar bridge on this at the start - I still think a Staytrem is the long term plan, but why throw deliberate issues in my way. I will literally have the CV bridge spare (I can't use it when I put the Mustang neck on the Jag because of radius, so it's getting an MiJ Jaguar bridge) so why not put it to use??
Hope you get better, soon.
The CV bridge should be more than good enough. I have had zero bridge problems with my CV Jaguar’s bridge.
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Tqi
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Posted on Nov 18 2023 06:55 PM
synchro wrote:
Hope you get better, soon.
Thanks! Today was day 8, and I managed to mask up, get in the truck and go grocery shopping. Was exhausting, but rewarding. I had "pregnancy tests" on hand so I know it's not 'Rona, either a particularly bad cold (I work in academia, so "Fresher's Flu") or actual flu. Getting to the end, either way.
The CV bridge should be more than good enough. I have had zero bridge problems with my CV Jaguar’s bridge.
Yep, no issues with it on my Jaguar, or on my Bass VI to be honest. But, on the Daisy Rock, and on the Jagmasters - I've never regretted going stainless steel on a guitar. So it's on the bottom of the to-do list, but it'll definitely happen. It's a personal taste mod, not a "fix a problem" mod.
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 18 2023 10:02 PM
Tqi wrote:
synchro wrote:
Hope you get better, soon.
Thanks! Today was day 8, and I managed to mask up, get in the truck and go grocery shopping. Was exhausting, but rewarding. I had "pregnancy tests" on hand so I know it's not 'Rona, either a particularly bad cold (I work in academia, so "Fresher's Flu") or actual flu. Getting to the end, either way.
The CV bridge should be more than good enough. I have had zero bridge problems with my CV Jaguar’s bridge.
Yep, no issues with it on my Jaguar, or on my Bass VI to be honest. But, on the Daisy Rock, and on the Jagmasters - I've never regretted going stainless steel on a guitar. So it's on the bottom of the to-do list, but it'll definitely happen. It's a personal taste mod, not a "fix a problem" mod.
I’m a big fan of StayTrem bridges. I have one on this beauty:
To clarify, the StayTrem is on the Jaguar, not the Siamese.
My other Jaguar, the CV, astounds me. It is one of the best guitars I’ve ever owned, and the least expensive guitar I’ve bought in many years. It was a stopgap, while I assembled the Warmoth Jaguar, but I’m completely bonded with it, at this point. I keep waiting for the bridge to adjust itself downward, but it’s been perfectly behaved.
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Tqi
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Posted on Nov 19 2023 07:08 AM
synchro wrote:
My other Jaguar, the CV, astounds me. It is one of the best guitars I’ve ever owned, and the least expensive guitar I’ve bought in many years. It was a stopgap, while I assembled the Warmoth Jaguar, but I’m completely bonded with it, at this point. I keep waiting for the bridge to adjust itself downward, but it’s been perfectly behaved.
I am of a strong belief that the only mod "needed" on the CV Jaguar is something to fix the Trem rattle. In my case it was a Staytrem, others do an AVRI, some people just beat it into submission with a mallet.
Nothing else needed, great guitar.
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 19 2023 07:36 AM
Tqi wrote:
synchro wrote:
My other Jaguar, the CV, astounds me. It is one of the best guitars I’ve ever owned, and the least expensive guitar I’ve bought in many years. It was a stopgap, while I assembled the Warmoth Jaguar, but I’m completely bonded with it, at this point. I keep waiting for the bridge to adjust itself downward, but it’s been perfectly behaved.
I am of a strong belief that the only mod "needed" on the CV Jaguar is something to fix the Trem rattle. In my case it was a Staytrem, others do an AVRI, some people just beat it into submission with a mallet.
Nothing else needed, great guitar.
I did an AVRI on mine, but I’ve heard that you can smooth the edge of the plate that forms the fulcrum of the pivot with a file.
I’ve never done this myself, but the AVRI trem in my Warmoth build is a bit rough, so I may test there.
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