Anyone using hardware modelers (like Neural DSP, Helix, Headrush) for live or recording?

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Anyone using hardware modelers (like Neural DSP, Helix, Headrush) for live or recording?

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circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 14 2023 06:22 AM First post here and I recognize that this question in itself is a bit sacrilegious! But I'm looking into getting one of these systems for use in recording my non-surf projects, and figure if one of them could do a decent reverby Fender emulation, that it would help me decide which route to go. Anyone have any experience with them in a surf context? Thanks in advance! — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
Padraig Joined: Feb 26, 2022 Posts: 254 Dollars, Taxes	Posted on Sep 14 2023 12:20 PM Hey Circuitspore, welcome to SG101! While you are waiting for some answers, go over to the "Shallow End" forum page and tell us about yourself on the "Introduction, New Members" thread! — Patrick Top
Tqi Joined: Dec 07, 2014 Posts: 1095	Posted on Sep 14 2023 04:34 PM circuitspore wrote: First post here and I recognize that this question in itself is a bit sacrilegious! But I'm looking into getting one of these systems for use in recording my non-surf projects, and figure if one of them could do a decent reverby Fender emulation, that it would help me decide which route to go. Anyone have any experience with them in a surf context? Thanks in advance! What kind of sound are you after? Something like amp reverb in a blackface? Or a standalone tank into a brownface? Or something else entirely? — - "The Mysterious" Tqi. Last edited: Sep 14, 2023 16:35:18 Top
circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 14 2023 05:30 PM Tqi wrote: What kind of sound are you after? Something like amp reverb in a blackface? Or a standalone tank into a brownface? Or something else entirely? I'm thinking full amp emulation. So good amp models and reverb modeling without needing an extra effects loop or other gear. Something that could be ran into a powered speaker for a live show or recording. — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
TheFintastics Joined: Jul 28, 2008 Posts: 447 Wichita Falls, Texas	Posted on Sep 14 2023 10:09 PM The Joyo "American Sound" Fender stomp pedal is what I have recorded with. Also, a Ventris reverb pedal gives an extremely authentic reverb drip when configured for that effect. A zoom MS50G pedal is worth every penny for an "all in one" stomp pedal that does a convincing Fender tone with spring reverb in full stereo. Amplitude is amazing if you want to bypass all hardware and just use a computer program along with an audio interface. — _ Hi, I'm Gellert, guitarist for The Fintastics. https://www.facebook.com/TheFintastics Top
Tqi Joined: Dec 07, 2014 Posts: 1095	Posted on Sep 14 2023 10:56 PM circuitspore wrote: I'm thinking full amp emulation. So good amp models and reverb modeling without needing an extra effects loop or other gear. Something that could be ran into a powered speaker for a live show or recording. Right, I got that. My question was "what amp" and "what reverb" do you want to model? — - "The Mysterious" Tqi. Top
circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 16 2023 07:10 PM Tqi wrote: circuitspore wrote: I'm thinking full amp emulation. So good amp models and reverb modeling without needing an extra effects loop or other gear. Something that could be ran into a powered speaker for a live show or recording. Right, I got that. My question was "what amp" and "what reverb" do you want to model? Ah, sorry. In a perfect world, I would have a piece of gear that perfectly emulated the '72 Fender Princeton Reverb that I used to own. I usually don't go ~super~ thick/drippy on the reverb. — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
CaptainSensible Joined: Nov 08, 2006 Posts: 632 Leesburg, VA	Posted on Sep 16 2023 11:37 PM The Universal Audio Dream 65 is pretty darn good. Compared well to my (former) Tone Master Twin Reverb through monitors. — Sean Top
Tqi Joined: Dec 07, 2014 Posts: 1095	Posted on Sep 17 2023 03:24 AM circuitspore wrote: Ah, sorry. In a perfect world, I would have a piece of gear that perfectly emulated the '72 Fender Princeton Reverb that I used to own. I usually don't go ~super~ thick/drippy on the reverb. No big, and thanks for clarification. Kind of an unusual one to model - you're probably better off trying to find something going for a Blackface version which is a pretty closely related circuit. Seems to be a few software models of that around, for example and the Helix has one called "US Princess" since Firmware 3.00. Lots of great sounding clips around, but I don't know the real amp so can't speak to accuracy. Here's another question - what's the specific use case because - while I note here that I hate the Tonemaster amps on every principle and despise their existence and if I suddenly magically became CEO of Fender I would issue a formal apology for their creation and offer a free FET-based and paid-for Valve based upgrade kit for th... anyway. If you want lighter, quieter and DI - the TM Princeton Reverb has no transformers, "power soak simulator", balanced line-out with cabsim (which can be used with or without the speaker muted)... and it's in basically the same price bracket as a Helix. Thought I'd mention it. — - "The Mysterious" Tqi. Last edited: Sep 17, 2023 03:26:00 Top
futureboy Joined: Aug 28, 2008 Posts: 114 East Coast	Posted on Sep 18 2023 07:20 AM I have a Universal Audio Dream 65. I think it does the Fender tone just fine. Pick your flat response powered cab and you have a light setup. Top
CrazyAces Joined: Jul 31, 2012 Posts: 4043 Nashville, TN.	Posted on Sep 18 2023 10:29 AM I've been using an Atomic Ampli-Firebox for about 5 years now to replicate, replace my specific use of my '73 Princeton Reverb and it works great for me. I found the stock sounds to be wanting but I recorded my mic'd Princeton and then did a little software deep diving, tweaking until the Atomic sounded like my Princeton and was able to get close enough to barely notice any difference in sound. I've also used the same unit live but that was an all in ear monitor situation. Since I own some nice tube amps though I'm looking at something like the Two Notes Torpedo X that will allow me to use those amps combined with Impulse Response speaker emulations, the amp attenuated or even silent, best of both worlds. Cheers, Jeff — http://www.facebook.com/CrazyAcesMusic http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock http://www.reverbnation.com/crazyacesmusic Top
circuitspore Joined: Sep 13, 2023 Posts: 7 Raleigh, NC	Posted on Sep 18 2023 08:44 PM Thanks @TheFintastics, @CaptainSensible, @Tqi, @futureboy, and @CrazyAces for your feedback! — WTB: Fender Ventures Jazz Bass Let me know if you have one for sale! Top
jdmcduders Joined: Jan 14, 2013 Posts: 130 Indianapolis, IN	Posted on Sep 19 2023 08:07 PM I have a Fractal AxeFX2 and I found that I have to be a lot more careful selecting the cabinet with clean sounds compared to distorted. Take your time and do lots of A/B comparison to find what you want. Top
SamDBL Joined: Sep 19, 2016 Posts: 223 Tampa	Posted on Sep 19 2023 10:00 PM I use an hx stomp for my solo gigs. Going stereo through two PA speakers sounds so big. And it’s so easy to play through. When I play full band, I go back to a regular amp and vintage vibe. But it’s reeeeeeally hard to go back, sometimes. — Guitarist for Black Valley Moon & Down By Law Top

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