Skiltrip
Joined: Mar 09, 2014
Posts: 88
New York
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Posted on Aug 16 2020 04:54 PM
Hey folks. I'm just tinkering for the sake of tinkering at this point, but I'm wondering what 12" guitar speakers are considered voiced well for surf guitar. Is the Jensen C12K the obvious pick?
I'm using an American Strat into a Bugera V55 head (55watts, 6L6 tubes, lots of clean headroom, so Fender-ish for sure). I'm running into 2 separate 1x12 cabs. One is an open back slightly oversized cab with a Eminence Texas Heat in it. The other is a closed back Bugera 1x12 closed back cab with whatever stock Turbosound speaker comes in it. Things sound decent as is, but I'm wondering if maybe there is something that might smooth out the top end a bit. Again, tinkering just cause I feel like it. This gear thing IS part hobby after all.
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SHADOWNIGHT5150
Joined: Jul 14, 2013
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Posted on Aug 16 2020 05:22 PM
I use a pair of Jensen P12n’s
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mike_fried
Joined: Aug 02, 2012
Posts: 161
Nashville, TN
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Posted on Aug 16 2020 08:11 PM
The Eminence Cannabis Rex is great for smoother top end and a little darker, fuller tone. For super clarity without the icepick highs, a Weber ceramic California (JBL D120-like) with a paper dome would do well, sounding a bit like a "mini Showman" cab. You'll really need to break it in, though, to get the best out of it.
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taijiguy
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 197
Newington, CT USA
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Posted on Aug 17 2020 05:53 AM
I second the Weber California, but with an aluminum dome.
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LordWellfleet
Joined: Jul 12, 2012
Posts: 170
Cape Cod, USA
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Posted on Aug 17 2020 07:06 AM
Here’s a second for the Cannabis Rex.
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revmike
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3743
North Atlantic
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Posted on Aug 17 2020 09:18 AM
I am a big fan of Guitar Warehouse Speakers since being turned on to them by Jeff Senn. I have the 12” ET65 in my Garnet Revolution, and it really suits that amp much better than the original Marsland speaker (those who know Garnet amps will know the tribulations of the Marslands).
https://wgsusa.com/
Rev
— Canadian Surf
http://www.urbansurfkings.com/
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Posts: 1351
Memphis, TN
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Posted on Aug 17 2020 03:33 PM
I'll tell you what is a great speaker, the Eminence Swamp Thang. It's a 150 watt speaker, rated at about 102 dB. The only reason I don't have one anymore, is because I fried mine with my 200 watt Quilter Tone Block 200.
You should check out the demos for it online, I think you'll be impressed. As for me, I had to get an Eminence 200 watt '12 speaker. So far, so good! 
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale.
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WoodyJ
Joined: Apr 05, 2006
Posts: 1534
Bethlehem, GA
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Posted on Aug 17 2020 03:35 PM
My favorites for these Fender amps or clones thereof....
Weber California Alnico with aluminum dome (Deluxe Reverb)
Electro-Voice EVM 12L (these sound killer in a Bassman or Bandmaster)
JBL D120F (Pro Reverb or Twin Reverb)
JBL D130F ('62 Pro Amp)
— Jack
aka WoodyJ
The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005)
The Hula Hounds (1996-current)
The X-Rays (1997-2004)
The Surge! (2004, 2011-2012)
Various non-surf bands that actually made money (1978-1990)
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dannylectro
Joined: Aug 18, 2008
Posts: 361
Orange, CA
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Posted on Aug 18 2020 01:36 AM
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dannylectro
Joined: Aug 18, 2008
Posts: 361
Orange, CA
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Posted on Aug 18 2020 01:37 AM
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dannylectro
Joined: Aug 18, 2008
Posts: 361
Orange, CA
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Posted on Aug 18 2020 01:37 AM
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mike_fried
Joined: Aug 02, 2012
Posts: 161
Nashville, TN
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Posted on Aug 18 2020 11:16 AM
taijiguy wrote:
I second the Weber California, but with an aluminum dome.
I recommended the paper dome because the OP was wanting to get away from a shrill top end.
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SHADOWNIGHT5150
Joined: Jul 14, 2013
Posts: 333
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Posted on Aug 18 2020 02:09 PM
I have a 2x10 Cab with eminence speakers that sound tough
Especially for surf. Plenty of mids solid lows and tamed the high end shrillness
speakers are a cannabis Rex and a RF10C
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taijiguy
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 197
Newington, CT USA
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Posted on Aug 19 2020 06:09 AM
mike_fried wrote:
taijiguy wrote:
I second the Weber California, but with an aluminum dome.
I recommended the paper dome because the OP was wanting to get away from a shrill top end.
I have a Ceramic California with an aluminum dome in my PRRI. It doesn't sound shrill to me. Maybe my ears are too far gone. My former DRRI had a Weber Neodymium with an aluminum dome. That was a great sounding speaker...very punchy. I wish they still made them in 10" and 12". I think they're better than the California.
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WoodyJ
Joined: Apr 05, 2006
Posts: 1534
Bethlehem, GA
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Posted on Aug 19 2020 09:42 AM
Shrill-ness can easily be overcome by judicious use of the tone control(s) on the amp and/or guitar.
— Jack
aka WoodyJ
The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005)
The Hula Hounds (1996-current)
The X-Rays (1997-2004)
The Surge! (2004, 2011-2012)
Various non-surf bands that actually made money (1978-1990)
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2764
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Aug 19 2020 10:03 AM
There is a trick to take some of the harshness out of aluminum dust caps. I came up with this some years back: Mask off the paper cone area and then put several coats of clear Krylon on the dust cap. That deadens the ring a bit and you can keep tweaking it starting with just a coat or two then adding more if needed.
I tried this with a pair of Peavy 1501-4 steel guitar speakers that I played with for a while. I fiddled with wiring them in parallel (2 ohms) and also in series, (8 ohms). Couldn't tell much difference in the sound.
I ended up with EV's in pretty much everything. There are a few EV's that were built exclusively for Fender that had aluminum voice coil covers, but they are pretty rare.
ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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SixStringSurfer
Joined: Sep 23, 2014
Posts: 1351
Memphis, TN
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Posted on Aug 19 2020 04:37 PM
The problem with the California is the power handling. If I am playing my Quilter TB200, it won't stand a chance. Other than that, I have heard many good things about them.
— MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale.
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mike_fried
Joined: Aug 02, 2012
Posts: 161
Nashville, TN
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Posted on Aug 19 2020 06:00 PM
SixStringSurfer wrote:
The problem with the Californias is the power handling. If I am playing my Quilter TB200, it won't stand a chance. Other than that, I have heard many good things about them.
The OP said the amp he's using is 55 watts, and it's being split between two speakers. The power handling won't be an issue there, but I sure wouldn't run a 200w amp into one!
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dannylectro
Joined: Aug 18, 2008
Posts: 361
Orange, CA
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Posted on Sep 27 2020 03:40 AM
taijiguy wrote:
mike_fried wrote:
taijiguy wrote:
I second the Weber California, but with an aluminum dome.
I recommended the paper dome because the OP was wanting to get away from a shrill top end.
I have a Ceramic California with an aluminum dome in my PRRI. It doesn't sound shrill to me. Maybe my ears are too far gone. My former DRRI had a Weber Neodymium with an aluminum dome. That was a great sounding speaker...very punchy. I wish they still made them in 10" and 12". I think they're better than the California.
I agree, the NeoMag is a better speaker than the California. Sounds a little more like a JBL to me.
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nedorama
Joined: Oct 10, 2009
Posts: 219
South Bay, CA
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Posted on Jan 20 2021 04:32 PM
revmike wrote:
I am a big fan of Guitar Warehouse Speakers since being turned on to them by Jeff Senn. I have the 12” ET65 in my Garnet Revolution, and it really suits that amp much better than the original Marsland speaker (those who know Garnet amps will know the tribulations of the Marslands).
https://wgsusa.com/
Rev
Really like these as well - I had the G12C/S in my open back bandmaster 2x12 combo and liked them better than the Weber Californias with aluminum dust caps they replaced - I don't play surf, and found the Californias too shrill for me...
Had the G12C's in a closed bandmaster cab I used with a Showman head.
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'65 Fender Tremolux, '74 Princeton; 77 Vibrolux Reverb; '81 Princeton Reverb
'65-66 Hilgen Basso Grande
Dr. Z MAZ 18 Jr. + 1x12 Cab
Various Telecasters and noise-making pedals
Farfisa Compact Duo
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