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Talking to my daughter yesterday, she claimed almost all my guitars are Frankenstein guitars because I have changed parts or otherwise modified them. I said my Yamaha SGV300 is almost nearly original except for the whammy bar, but she seemed to think even that change made it a Franken guitar. Obviously the latter case is too extreme of a position, but it raises the question: what makes a guitar a Frankenstein guitar?

Is there any consensus out there? Or do we just know it when we see it? Recently, I posted photos of my Frankenmaster, which is composed of many parts, new and old, from many different sources, and I think it clearly falls in the category of Franken guitars. But what do you need to do to cross that line from an original guitar that's been modded or from a parts guitar to being a Frankenstein guitar?

I'd think a partscaster that recreates a guitar model doesn't count. Dr. Frankenstein was trying to create a new person, but not a specific person as much as a mish-mash of parts. So I think the mixture is key. But I'd like to know everyone's thoughts and see examples of anybody else's Franken guitars.

JMO, but I’d say a Franken-Guitar is a mix of parts not really made to be together. For instance, a Tele neck on a Strat body, or a Jaguar with humbuckers. Maybe a Tele with a Strat trem’.

Perhaps a bit murkier would be parts from different eras, such as a CBS era neck on a pre-CBS era body. Tho is tricky, because by design, Fenders were supposed to support interchangeability, as a service feature. I would imagine that had you called Fender in 1963 and asked for a neck to replace the work out neck on your ‘57 Strat, they probably would have sent a rosewood-fingerboard Strat neck and figured they were doing you a favor. Smile That would be considered a Franken-Strat, but from Leo’s perspective, it was probably just the way he had planned it.

Most of my guitars are modified, but I don’t consider them Franken-Gretsch. All four Gretsch have Chet wire arms and None have their OEM pickups, but none have irreversible modifications. The only two in my collection which are completely unmodified are my Mustang bass and my Warwick bass. The Mustang is perfect as is, I even liked the OEM strings. The Warwick was truly custom made to my specifications, so it left the factory “modded” to my specs.

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Every one of my 8 Stratocasters has been changed and modified in one way or another. I've read various forums where any mods are considered to moderately or significantly devalue the guitar. When I take on a new stratocaster for the collection, it's not there to be archived for a retirement package. It's there to be played and enjoyed. Changing necks, pickups, electronics, bodies, this is the beauty of playing a stratocatser. I've bought expensive strats just for the neck and swapped the necks and sold the remains. Maybe it's psychological but I enjoy these guitars much more after all the little tweaks and changes. If a partscaster plays and sounds great and has good quality parts then so be it!

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I would submit that it depends on who the "Doctor Frankenstein" is.

Some examples:
Eric Clapton buys several Stratocasters and takes the best parts from each making his own erector set Stratocasters. These were well known as "Blackie" and "Brownie" and sold for hefty sums at upscale auctions - only because Eric Clapton made them and played them. If it were you and me, the value would be seriously diminished. For selling, they'd warrant a cheap pawn shop as opposed to Christies or Sotherby's.

Fender now has this "Parallel Universe" Telecaster/Jazzmaster/jazzer mish-mash in their catalog. So, I guess if you're the manufacturer, parts mix and match from known models isn't a Frankenstein Guitar; it's a "new innovation" or some such nonsense.

There's Dick Dale's Stratocaster, Johnny Ramone's Mosrite, Eddie Cochran's Gretsch 6120. All those guitars are highly modified for the artist's preferences - more or less - but no one ever calls them "Frankenstein" guitars.

Knowing the workings of my favorite guitar brand, I recently put together a customized "Frankenstein" Mosrite. Modesty aside, it's a stunner. I was offered $5K for it at a Vintage guitar show. Might have been more if I were a well known player or a well known builder. My solace in all that is that I now play a guitar that no one else on earth has. Take that Strat, Tele, Les Paul players.

My possibly warped perspective on this subject...
J Mo'

JohnnyMosrite wrote:

I would submit that it depends on who the "Doctor Frankenstein" is.

Some examples:
Eric Clapton buys several Stratocasters and takes the best parts from each making his own erector set Stratocasters. These were well known as "Blackie" and "Brownie" and sold for hefty sums at upscale auctions - only because Eric Clapton made them and played them. If it were you and me, the value would be seriously diminished. For selling, they'd warrant a cheap pawn shop as opposed to Christies or Sotherby's.

Fender now has this "Parallel Universe" Telecaster/Jazzmaster/jazzer mish-mash in their catalog. So, I guess if you're the manufacturer, parts mix and match from known models isn't a Frankenstein Guitar; it's a "new innovation" or some such nonsense.

There's Dick Dale's Stratocaster, Johnny Ramone's Mosrite, Eddie Cochran's Gretsch 6120. All those guitars are highly modified for the artist's preferences - more or less - but no one ever calls them "Frankenstein" guitars.

Knowing the workings of my favorite guitar brand, I recently put together a customized "Frankenstein" Mosrite. Modesty aside, it's a stunner. I was offered $5K for it at a Vintage guitar show. Might have been more if I were a well known player or a well known builder. My solace in all that is that I now play a guitar that no one else on earth has. Take that Strat, Tele, Les Paul players.

My possibly warped perspective on this subject...
J Mo'

I had thought about Clapton’s creations when I wrote my reply. It’s hard to draw a line with regard to such mods. I’m not sure that Clapton actually made anything new. It would be analogous to buying a number of Model T Fords, combining the best parts into one striking example of the marque, then repeating the process with the remaining parts.

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I'd favor synchro's statement that it would include parts not originally meant to go together. After all, that's was Dr. Frankenstein's approach in building his monster.

And as far as I know, Eddie van Halen's Frankenstrat was the first to be referred to as a Frankenstein guitar, and that was built with Fender strat body and neck that were factory seconds and did not originally come together in a finished guitar. Then heavily modified with a humbucker, simplified wiring, chopped up pickguard, painting and re-painting, and the Floyd Rose tremolo.

I wonder if The Who bassist John Entwistle was the first. He tells the story of the bass he called "Frankenstein":

In an interview, he once explained the origins of Frankenstein: "The neck, pickups and circuitry are from a 'dead' slab bass, the tailpiece from a Jazz bass, the pickguard from a black P bass® and the machine heads from 2 white P basses®. Two hours with a Phillips screwdriver and a soldering iron and I was ranting around my hotel room screaming, "It's alive, it's alive!'" A collection of personal notes that Entwistle had planned to publish said of Frankenstein: "I used this baby from 1967 onwards, through Tommy and all the tours up to Quadrophenia ."

I personally think a Frankenstein has to have a neck and body from different guitars.

I can't believe I've never heard about Entwhistle's Frankenstein bass. Definitely predates EVH's guitar, and Entwhistle definitely considered it a Frankenstein creation. I agree that if the neck and the came from separate origins, that makes a Frankenguitar, as long as they come from different models.

So could you create a Frankenstein guitar with a neck-through guitar? Can't really change out the neck, but you can change everything else. Poison Ivy Rorschach's Bill Lewis guitar was heavily modified with different pickups and a Bigsby-like vibrato - does that count?

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A large bolt through the headstock.

I thought it was bolts through the neck!

I think it mainly boils down to "if Lilly says it's cool".

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Ha! A frankenstein I believe its when a mod on a guitar is outside of its normal specs. And I believe some are minor changes but some can be heavily major. If guitar purest turn their nose or shake their head.. your headed in the right direction. lol

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p90 - bridge
filtertron - middle
jaguar single coil(out of phase) - neck

master tone
master volume
blender pot - to blend in the neck on bridge postion and vice versa.

custom trust rod cover and pickguard. upgraded tuners.

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