Twitter? I use both to try to keep up on releases.

Ive dabbled with Drooble before. Its no facebook but its a start

I keep meaning to quit an use Diaspora but it's hard to go someplace where you don't have any friends

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darrenk wrote:

I'm looking for more privacy that was facebook provides.
-Darren

Good for you.

http://tunefan.com
http://www.youtube.com/tunefan

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darrenk wrote:

I'm not in a band or a musician but I understand why it is necessary for a band to be there. I know any alternative network will be sparse and not have anywhere near the people as facebook. I wanted to see if other people had made the jump already and if so what was out there. I'm looking for more privacy that was facebook provides.

-Darren

I'm not in a band either or should I say "anymore"

I read a lot of books on band promo etc over the years and observed a lot how bands operate and all that jazz.

After cataloging most of the bands in the surf genre out there I pretty much talked my self out of starting a band or making a CD. I think the field is pretty well covered by now.

I don't think its a lack of exposure on the net much as there are so many bands (not just in surf) but across the board, any band can get lost out there in all the noise on the net. (That's my theory anyway)
There are so many good bands out there I couldn't choose who is better than the other. So to be moving from Facebook to another site or even having your own site might not give you any results.

My observation is every band should be on YouTube, that's s where the action is now. One mistake I see is bands just putting videos on their Facebook video page, (Big mistake). Get on YouTube and make playlists with your band and other bands. That's the biggest impact you can have. Cross linking your friends bands with yours on YouTube playlists or make a list of bands that get a lot of hits or plays on there. That's better than opening for a bigger band in my mind.

The idea is getting exposer or recognition for your band or music I think that's the best way now, more people watch YouTube than TV now/

ElMonstroPorFavor wrote:

Gotta disagree. Facebook's algorithm treats youtube like garbage. I hate facebook's video platform but it's the only one you'll get much traction with if you share on facebook.

Just do both then because more people go on YouTube everyday then any Facebook account.

The average band has about 400 likes - why because each band member probably has about 100 people they know, (Half are other musicians or bands usually). Might be easier to share video's but if no one really looks at it doesn't matter even on YouTube I've seen only 124 views for video's posted eight years before that, but I see that more on Facebook really.

I think most people think they will put up a account and have it go viral in no time, but that rarely actually happens and is more in line with lottery statistics then actual reality I think. Like I said look how many bands are doing the very same thing out there around the world. Really Facebook is only for local markets to be effective anyway. Mo one will travel very far to see any bar band unless its a side trip etc...That's rare.

That's why I think Facebook is a poor PR machine, it's just a tool and helps a little that's all

What I would like to know is how many Cd's are sold by the average Surf band. It use to be the average band in the 1990's sold only 126 Cd's (Which wouldn't even break even at that time and now CD sales have crashed through the floor in recent times. Has it dropped to 10 Cd's average now for all bands? - Most are probably downloads, but I've seen full albums on YouTube for free? And streaming has essentially taken over the whole industry now and even downloads declined big time.

I've known people that had like 3000 CD's made ten years ago and they still have boxes to get rid of.

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I once saw a chart comparing the use of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn and Google+.
Facebook was several orders of magnitude above all the others put together, I was astounded at the difference.

Sadly though, Facebook is hopeless for music and always has been. Any music or band page gets converted to a business page and then you have to endure dumb messages like "Add your phone number so your customers can contact you". Do I want any of our fans to phone me?! No I don't. And neither would you, Mr Mark Zuckerberg.

Bandcamp is a great place for music, but there isn't much to their social media side.

Something to think about is different social media platform is different countries. For instance WhatsApp is massive in India and S. America, but here in the UK it's still used solely as a messaging app. Different countries have apps that are more or less popular. Facebook is about the only one that is universally popular. I'm starting to feel it's peaked though, with the security issues and it's emphasis on business. It's become much more tedious to use.

http://thewaterboarders.bandcamp.com/

Yeah that was pretty much my point, its hard to sell more than 120 Cd's for any average band. So for anyone to pump out 3000 is a pipe dream in most cases, being only five percent of the bands can do that. I know two bands that did print that many and still have most of them down their cellars in boxes. The Foo Fighters started a side project once and printed 14,000 CD's and albums etc. and still have them stacked up, so it can happen to anyone in music. I guess The Delstroyers are doing pretty good then selling above average. I saw your videos at SG101.

I think music is a hard game anyway, and now with Katy Perry losing her court case on a micro element of music content on Dark Horse, it will be much harder now for song writers not to be sued. The funny thing is she didn't even write the song (had 6 writers). She had to pay 500 grand out of pocket and the label the rest of the 2.78 million. I guess on behalf of the 6 song writers. Of course Katy Kat could buy Flame a 100 times over, so its no big deal to her. Now everyone will have to worry about these type lawsuits who make big money with writing music.

Back to Facebook, yeah when it started bands got a lot of so called momentum, where local bar flies flew in to your local show, but now there are just too many bands on FB to really be effective anymore I think. Its like anything, when too many players are in the game, it gets harder not easier.

I'm not down too much on Facebook, every band should have one, but its just one tool to use with many others, It all adds up.

Beyonce's new album sold 940 copies in the UK, including digital sales.

http://thewaterboarders.bandcamp.com/

We sold a few in the UK haha and think that's pretty good relative to her considering she's easily 1000 times better looking and probably 10000 times harder working than we are.

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