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Where Is Surf Going In 2019?
Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio 
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Posted on Jan 30 2019 01:02 PM
Any new ideas or directions to expand Surf? I will reveal the plans I am working on in time. I will hint that it is a new sonic contribution. The contribution will only expand the audience. —The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 https://thekahunakings.bandcamp.com/releases Last edited: Jan 30, 2019 13:03:49 |
Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1345 New Orleans
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Posted on Jan 30 2019 01:17 PM
I’ve always wanted to do surf breakcore, kinda like this: —Daniel Deathtide |
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Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 30 2019 01:49 PM
Well that's different. —The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 |
Joined: Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 819 Semass 
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Posted on Jan 30 2019 03:51 PM
I’m back to playing some more agro punk rock type stuff. |
Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515 |
Posted on Jan 31 2019 05:10 AM
Wow that's the million dollar question isn't it. - "Any new ideas or directions to expand Surf?" I think Youtube is the way to go myself - write your own material and put up on a monetized account - give away the music you make for free - and allow advertisers to use it and pay you through YouTube - Music is essentially free now anyway. No one really makes money with music sales but the top 2 percent anyway. (Which means you will probably not be one of them.) In order to do that you have to upload new music on video's every few days or on a daily basis and it would be a full time job and very hard to do that. Or ta least weekly. Streaming servises took over now but hardly makes anything usually from what I've read about it - everything else - CD - Downloads etc are predicted to be almost dead soon (if not already), but will still be around in a small way as collectibles or minor product lines. Over the last 60 years Surf has had many waves of minor success - the key is to catch a wave and ride it out and wait for the next. Its much like Christmas, it comes around once a year and Surf comes around every 16 years. I missed that last big one so looking to 2027 as the next big one myself. I will be 66 by then If I don't drown in the mean time. A music career usually takes ten years to develope (no matter what your age) and like 4 years average for any growth in any genre when it is successful. Then you either tank or go on as a oldies act if your popular enough to survive. I expect pretty much the same as it ever was. Surf is a world wide phenomenon, so it depends on where your band is located - but Youtube is world wide - that's why I think its better than any other growth vehicle out there - Many have already tried that but do not maintain it or upload enough content to keep advertisers on there. And could explain why all other music platforms are dying. Why buy music when the same recording is free on YouTube. Like I said music is essentially free now - so give it away and get paid through the advertisers. The more your music is out there the more chance a song you made might be picked up by a movie sound track or some other commercial firm for commercials etc. That is rare being hits songs are like one in hundreds you have written and recorded (its rare). But those pay more than any other music income stream. So get your songs out there and allow advertising to use them (They need you as a musician to survive as well.) China, India and all South American countries will be the biggest growth areas in the future for all music online over the next 20 years. Everywhere else about the same as now. But still billions of dollars will be made as a whole through out the music industry every year. I already wrote songs I never used for anything anyway - and I have all the required recording gear and skills to pull it off. If you already have the same this model might work for you. This is my new plan I cam up with in the last month or so. If it works I will just do that and be a studio rat and maybe hire bands to make live video's of one off concerts etc to make more video's - that's long term or you could just do live streams in real time like many news casts etc....That's my long term plan. Its all hard work. Last edited: Jan 31, 2019 06:21:20 |
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Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 06:15 AM
I will soon begin the hard work of bringing another voice to this music. This is an ambitious goal and will take quite a bit of hard work. It was my plan to be well into the Kahuna Kings second record at this point in Winter 2019. We had to make a personnel change within the last month which has been successfully completed. In that process I was connected to an idea and that idea came through one of the candidates. Their talents are far more important to me than playing bass which is being done exceptionally well by a new member. I honestly believe that bringing a whole new "voice" to surf music will expand the listening audience and put our band on stages that we might not otherwise perform. I shall know more as the weeks progress. —The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 |
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Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515 |
Posted on Jan 31 2019 06:40 AM
Yeah a change up in instrumentation is not new really - I mean there is Medal guitar - Sax - Orchestral type stuff. I haven't heard and Surf Rap or Hip hop style yet? lol - Bass can be played on keyboard too - like The Doors did in the 1960's. I always thought Surf Instrumentals needed more drums more in line with Classical Orchestra's with Kettle drums and the like (Or Pet Sounds type arrangements) - backing tracks with large orchestral type stuff more in line with the old Spector Wall of Sound etc. Lots of new electronic gizmo's overlooked by many on Surf Guitar. I have a harmonizer - would that work on guitar or keyboard etc....any idea will work if its good musically. I think bands are really competing with Euro style DJ's now look at what they do and arrange stuff - maybe Surfers should do the same? I don't know - Its all luck in the end anyway. Try it the worse that can happen is be in the same place we are now. Hope it works out for you Last edited: Jan 31, 2019 06:48:07 |
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Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 06:47 AM
Thanks! It's not anything like that. I'm not going to reveal it until it happens. Probably said too much as it is. However, anything we can all do to expand this great music and culture helps us all! —The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 |
Joined: Mar 14, 2006 Posts: 2145 Kiev, Ukraine 
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 08:03 AM
stratdancer wrote:
That's very interesting, David! Keep us informed. —Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine New Single is out! https://waikikimakaki.bandcamp.com/album/rhino-blues-full-contact-surf-single Waikiki Makaki https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki Lost Diver https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com |
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Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 08:08 AM
Thanks Vitaly! I may have tipped you off with a few clues I left in some cryptic FB post recently. Very excited about the direction. Shhhh!!! The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 |
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Joined: Mar 14, 2006 Posts: 2145 Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 10:07 AM
stratdancer wrote:
Some years age we experimented with violins, cellos, accordion and even balalaika) But no) —Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine New Single is out! https://waikikimakaki.bandcamp.com/album/rhino-blues-full-contact-surf-single Waikiki Makaki https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki Lost Diver https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com |
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Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1345 New Orleans
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 12:02 PM
Samurai wrote:
I would LOVE to hear this. —Daniel Deathtide |
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Joined: Mar 14, 2006 Posts: 2145 Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 12:19 PM
DeathTide wrote:
Unfortunatly almost nothing was recorded( Waikiki Makaki surf-rock band from Ukraine New Single is out! https://waikikimakaki.bandcamp.com/album/rhino-blues-full-contact-surf-single Waikiki Makaki https://linktr.ee/waikikimakaki Lost Diver https://lostdiver.bandcamp.com |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3743 North Atlantic 
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 02:36 PM
Saw this on fb. Maybe reverb Crash psychedelic music in the future of surf. Canadian Surf |
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Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 03:19 PM
Ha! Rev! Pretty much it! —The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 |
Joined: Jul 23, 2014 Posts: 637 LA -ish
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Posted on Jan 31 2019 10:27 PM
Kind of depends on your goals. Chasing your muse? Altering the course of history? Greater public acceptance? Defending the realm? Expanding the universe? Playing the classics? Two things I know about today. Most young folks are less enthralled with guitar (or at least excess). Hip hop/dance music (and maybe mom and dad's classic rock) is all they know. It's hard for them to relate (as much as I LOVE surf drumming). There's a valid argument for preserving a true folk music. Maybe there needs to be the trads holding the fort and folks being more experimental- crossing boundies,in hopes of the trail leading back to the originals. My sister (RIP) devoted a lot of her time to keeping the folk music from the mountains around Vera Cruz,alive and kicking. A worthy endeavor. I see Surf Music as we know it in similar terms. —mj
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Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Feb 01 2019 04:55 AM
We begin rehearsals tomorrow as we launch into our 2019 performance schedule. 2018 was a great year for us here in Ohio. So many new fans across a broad spectrum of demographics were drawn to the sound of dripping guitars and the unabashed, relentless energy of our shows. For me, the goal is to broaden the voicing of this fantastic music giving it more depth and therefore, appeal to a larger audience. I am hoping to give this music more credibility as a music genre and lift it to a new status level musically at least on a local level. Although I will always write trad surf music with an upbeat California feel, I vision the new voicing fitting into the more traditional minor scale, darker elements of surf music. Many of the songs we perform will hopefully be expanded with this new voicing. It's just one more way to cut through a mix and connect deep within the human soul! —The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 https://thekahunakings.bandcamp.com/releases Last edited: Feb 01, 2019 05:25:14 |
Joined: Jan 25, 2019 Posts: 7
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Posted on Feb 01 2019 05:04 AM
I think any progression or evolution in the genre must be natural. Let the surf rock grow around the globe taking influences from every culture. Planning this kind of thing never really worked, at least not with good music. I'm a newcomer in instrumental surf music, but I can see how the influence of local culture and music in many surf rock bands. Mexico, Eastern Europe, Spain, Brazil... every band from those regions are unique. That's the way, I guess. Personally I expect to bring some tango and argentine traditional folk music to surf genre. We'll see how that goes. |
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Joined: Dec 11, 2013 Posts: 2532 Akron, Ohio
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Posted on Feb 01 2019 05:09 AM
4 century's of connecting mankind with the depths of their souls. It's voice is somewhere between the human voice and guitar. As soft as a feather, as violent as raging storm. It shreds!!! —The Kahuna Kings https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Kahuna-Kings/459752090818447 https://thekahunakings.bandcamp.com/releases Last edited: Feb 01, 2019 05:41:51 |
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Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515 |
Posted on Feb 01 2019 07:38 AM
montereyjack66 wrote:
Sorry to here about your sister, so many gone I use to know as well. And it makes you wonder how long will Surf Instrumentals last or the bands after we get too old or checkout. Will other generations take over and carry on? Maybe some (there is still Big Band and Classical Music Orchestra's even today - but not many. I think your right - You have traditional California Instrumental Surf and then New forms of that. I can't see it being mainstream though or at least think that way. I know in California there is college radio playing Surf Instrumentals of both types but the rest of the USA is pretty much tuned out on that. I see more on YouTube really. A oldies station near me here only plays Walk Don't Run by the Ventures and Wipeout by The Safaris. But that's about it. I guess everyone has dreams of success but the Surf Genre in general was not as successful as other genres. In fact it really only lasted about a year on the radio in 1963 in any big way or mass acceptance. So more than likely will go on as it stands now. Its definitely on the fringe. Even Pulp Fiction was a generation ago now. I'm amazed how many people don't even no who Dick Dale is, and many are like 70 years old or should know. So if The King is sub-genre where do the rest of the acts stand? I just read a book about song writing and it suggested listening to new hits songs as inspiration and to see what is being accepted by the industry (Ok I don't see Surf anywhere there.) Its Country-Pop and Hip Hop etc. Basically a band with original songs will have to have what is marketable to the music industry as a whole. The analogy is if your writing in a arcane style that has long past its prime is much like try to build automobiles like in the 1920's and expect everyone to buy one (It won't happen)- yes some would but not many. The whole music industry is about trends and making money etc. I think Surf bands would do better with Caribbean style - Country mix (I here that more than anything) Or Jimmy Buffet type material or at least that's what gets played near me (Ok maybe he owns the station??) Ok If they made new 1963 split window Corvettes that might sell but more than likely not a main stream product line. Last edited: Feb 01, 2019 08:14:14 |
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