Hi all,
I hope you are all doing well and in good health.
Last night after work, I felt like playing Shazam in the Shadows style.
Hope you like it.
Blessings,
Abel
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Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi all, I hope you are all doing well and in good health. Blessings, |
Joined: Sep 06, 2012 Posts: 1299 Lawrenceville , GA |
Thanks for sharing. I always enjoy your videos. |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25501 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A. |
Awesome Abdel —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi all, Glad you liked this Shadows classic. I would like to continue to record live, but not on video. I bought a Behringer Guitar Link UCG120 and I was very disappointed with the latency. I have Windows 7. The ideal for me would be a small plug and play unit for PC with a couple of Charlie Hall echoes, namely #8 and 12 that I use exclusively on my videos with the MagicStomp. Blessings, Last edited: Jun 11, 2018 14:06:04 |
Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
Beautiful playing Abdel, as usual! I use the NI Komplete Audio 6 (which is considered pretty good, middle of the road prosumer gear), and I got latency down to as real-time as possible (smooth at 256 samples and even more). I can recommend it, it's good for the price. I'll also admit that with ASIO drivers and built-in motherboard sound chip I can achieve similar results, but naturally with lower sound quality (mainly due to audio path related issues). FIY, the Behringer (and the VOX too for that matter) are of the lowest tier of interfaces. Aim a little higher, and you'd have a reliable ADC with dedicated drivers. A player of your caliber should, it will make everything easier. Thing is, even throwing money at the problem (better PC, better audio card) won't guarantee you a mean recording machine. Some sound cards are famous for low latency (i.e. RME babyface) performance, due to great design and drivers, but a system that is used for games and uncareful interneting, with AV's and gadgets will get them stuck in no time as well. If you're sure latency is the only problem, then with some or a lot of tinkering, you could maximize the performance of what you already got. After a day's work, I bet you'd want your session to be spontaneous, quick to setup, ready to go, no less than what you're already used to. To achieve that it's gonna take some initial prep. High latency is cause by: high buffer settings. So you lower it. Oh, there's clicks and pops now. Some good reads: https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207359245-Optimising-your-PC-for-audio-on-Windows-7 As for delay and other FX, there are multiple great free or commercial solutions, but 1st get your clean sound together. You must use some sort of amp sim and cab sim, and have acceptable monitoring. A physical spring unit before any of that brings the magic! It almost compensates for all the digital ruin... Last edited: Jun 11, 2018 17:21:59 |
Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England |
The Orange OMEC Teleport has been getting attention recently. |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi all, That's a very valuable info there. Here is the latest: Crumble, Thank you much. Blessings to all, |
Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
Explore the PC stuff at your patience... closing open browser windows is a good start. Disable all start-up programs, including Anti-virus, firewall, any of that junk. Abdel wrote:
Agree, it's unacceptable! But: Buena fortuna! Last edited: Jun 12, 2018 07:37:29 |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi Ariel, Thank you for you help. Blessings, |
Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England |
Abdel. The Behringer website support is a disaster, they don't even list the Behringer Guitar Link UCG120 anymore. However the newer UCG102 uses the same driver software. Look to the bottom of the page - weblink below. If you are using the newer asio4all drivers then it's probably wise to uninstall them before installing the original Behringer drivers. There should then be some software on your PC with adjustment for latency. |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi all, Thank you Crumble, Ariel. I will download the ASIOALL. I went on and ordered the new Orange OMEC Teleport. Blessings to all, |
Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
I'm sorry Abdel, but don't see any advantage for the Orange interface over the devices you already have (aside from the form factor which you may like). My guess is it won't improve your latency situation, maybe just by a little bit. |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi Ariel, Thank you for your expert comments. Blessings, |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi Ariel, Crumble, Frustration grows as I just got the Orange Omec Teleport and the latency is
Assuming all conditions are equal, which scenario would normally work best from these 5 . I might just stick to live video recording. Thank you much for your feedback, Last edited: Jun 16, 2018 14:51:44 |
Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England |
Abdel. You may need to experiment until sound comes out. If there is latency then look to the toolbar and chose "Edit" then "Preferences". On the next screen click "Devices" and look for "Buffer" and the Latency adjustment box. Mine say's 100 milliseconds which seems way too much because I'm normally looking for something like 12 milliseconds. You have to get used to this kind of adjustment/configuration with all other audio software. It could be that the Windows driver is too slow. You could try Asio4all drivers instead, once installed there should be adjustment on the taskbar. http://www.asio4all.org/ With the Orange Teleport, go to the website and to the FAQ page in support. Help is there for Windows 7 users. Hopefully Ariel will chime in soon, don't give up yet Abdel !! Last edited: Jun 16, 2018 16:34:34 |
Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
Abdel, when you write "PC in" do you mean going into the audio input of the PC? That negates the use of an external sound card, and usually is of the lowest audio quality, not to mention each device you go through unnecessarily degrades the sound in various ways. Forget about that, you've got 3 external devices (that I know of...) that could work pretty well, if, like I stressed before, you'd address the issues with your computer. Concentrate on 1 device. On it's face, seems to me your best option is the Vox Tonelab. It has superior conversion than the others, and dedicated drivers. You got some work cut out for you, let's start with:
The problem needs to be solved surgically, so take it step by step. We're at preparing the patient stage: fasting, cleaning of the bowels and MRI. Follow the guides I posted before to the letter, as well as all the details in my post that I linked. You must progress with that, as much as annoying, cumbersome and Kafka-esque this process may be, the PC has to be right for audio work, and that's never a given. Even if I personally optimized your system, it's you who will maintain it. Helping you remotely this way demands action on your side beside buying stuff. Post screenshots, and we'll do our best! Last edited: Jun 16, 2018 20:16:36 |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi Folks, I much appreciate your help. Here is the latest.
Crumble, Ariel, I recorded a song last night with the Tonelab output to PC In. Blessings, |
Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel |
Hi Abdel, For recording it's no problem to monitor in real time before digital conversion and then just shift/cut the audio in Audacity if you need it to sync to something. Latency comes into play only when trying to monitor after conversion, or when mixing live. So that pretty much solves it. It's a very common practice in professional studios.
If the Dell is desktop then you'll have other advantages, but for fighting latency DISK and RAM don't matter (unless there's not enough working space) as much as faster CPU and better optimized operating system to enable it. If one of your PC's is 64 bit then choose that. Win8 is worse than Win7 (more stuff to disable), a fresh installation of 7 SP1 on a SSD is the best scenario, if you have the patience.
Excellent! Start with the steps I detailed in my previous post, and go over the guides and apply what's relevant.
Wait, so your Mustang has USB out too? If so, that's an option. Post the exact model so I can see the specs.
Why? I'm trying not to be redundant here, but you keep ignoring my advice... I'm not guessing. Don't do that.
And now you do, that's because it's a bad option. Generic ASIO is let's say, finicky, Windows drivers are impossible. You have a wealth of better, more reliable options, even if you'd get it to work. You didn't mention - how exactly do you monitor? Sound comes out of what?
Please do! others could learn a thing or two too from the process. Just please follow what I already laid out for you. You don't fix a computer problem by randomly trying stuff. I didn't invent any of it, fighting latency is a global issue. I'm no expert, but this time I really do know what I'm talking about. Last edited: Jun 18, 2018 16:22:58 |
Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England |
Abdel wrote:
According to the manual the ASIO Driver should magically appear on the task bar when an audio hardware device is connected and initialised in whatever software application you are using - for instance Audacity. By initialised I think it means the ASIO driver is chosen. See the picture below and the 4 dropdown boxes where drivers can be chosen. |
Joined: Apr 10, 2006 Posts: 257 |
Hi Crumbel, Ariel, Malcolm (I just found your name under your profile), Ariel, This is what is said about the amp input / output: Headphone output; auxiliary input USB Port Here is the amp model: Fender Mustang IV V2 150W 2x12 Guitar Combo Amp Thanks a lot again and Blessings, Last edited: Jun 18, 2018 16:56:07 |