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Pihabeach82 Joined: Sep 29, 2015 Posts: 470	Posted on Aug 20 2016 02:05 PM Hi all Considering 2x10 set up for a blonde bassman 6g6 build that has been in the wings for years, but now may be back on track.... Have been offered two 20w weber 10a125 alnico speakers. Any one have experience with these speakers? Anyone able to comment on alnico vs ceramic for surf guitar or point out their favorite 2x10 pair for surf? Thanks all Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Aug 20 2016 04:01 PM My guess is that the speakers would be overpowered by the Bassman. A rule of thumb for relatively clean speaker performance is to use drivers rated in total at 150% of amp RMS output - for a Bassman (50W, right?) you would need speakers rated to handle 75-80W RMS. Especially with AlNiCo magnets, with their earlier-onset soft breakup characteristics, you will have a great amp for distorto-leads and no headroom. There is a reason Leo designed the Bassman as a 4x10. That's optimal for a 50 W amp. — Squink Out! Last edited: Aug 20, 2016 16:03:22 Top
duncanjames Joined: Dec 20, 2011 Posts: 150	Posted on Aug 20 2016 05:50 PM It's possible to use 2 10s with a 6G6 style bassman, but you'll need a lot more wattage handling than that. My friend's El Sonido 2x10 combo that I built up went through a handful of speakers before we found something that would last. It currently has some OEM Ampeg SVT speakers, which surprisingly sound good for both guitar and bass. Don't be afraid to try high wattage speakers! Top
Pihabeach82 Joined: Sep 29, 2015 Posts: 470	Posted on Aug 21 2016 03:49 PM Cool, thanks guys That was my suspicion. The little 20w alnicos would get eaten like deviled eggs at a wake. Will ponder things further but likely to either go for a 1x12 or 2x10 of some sort. Dont have any great preference ceramic to alnico. One has to be opportunistic when it comes to gear in New Zealand ;) Top
Pihabeach82 Joined: Sep 29, 2015 Posts: 470	Posted on Aug 22 2016 12:01 AM Anyone have experience with the 60w celestion g10 vintage for surf? I have found one locally at a good price. Any ideas what would pair well with it? Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4536 Wisconsin	Posted on Aug 22 2016 06:02 AM Pihabeach82 wrote: Anyone have experience with the 60w celestion g10 vintage for surf? I have found one locally at a good price. Any ideas what would pair well with it? I replaced the Celestions (not the one you mention) in my Vibrolux with these. I really like them, although I've been thinking about putting one of the Celestions back in. Given the frequency response of the G10 you mention, the Falcon 10 may give you a balance you're looking for. With that G10 they're going to easily handle the power you need. Very articulate; like them quite alot & not much money actually. — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
Pihabeach82 Joined: Sep 29, 2015 Posts: 470	Posted on Aug 22 2016 01:28 PM Badger wrote: Pihabeach82 wrote: Anyone have experience with the 60w celestion g10 vintage for surf? I have found one locally at a good price. Any ideas what would pair well with it? I replaced the Celestions (not the one you mention) in my Vibrolux with these. I really like them, although I've been thinking about putting one of the Celestions back in. Given the frequency response of the G10 you mention, the Falcon 10 may give you a balance you're looking for. With that G10 they're going to easily handle the power you need. Very articulate; like them quite alot & not much money actually. Yes I had considered the falcon, but was worried the power handling might not be up to scratch , but you're right, it probably will be. The issue I'm facing is the only retail available speakers in NZ are eminence . Everything else I have to bring in form over seas... $$$ So I really want to make the right choice, even if it means a slightly higher outlay to start with Will look into the falcon Any love for the newer eminence varieties . I'm eyeing up the copperhead 10 Last edited: Aug 22, 2016 13:28:23 Top
choice_of_meat Joined: Oct 04, 2013 Posts: 42	Posted on Aug 23 2016 10:02 AM I've not used eminence 10's, but I've been using Tone Tubby 10's in my 2x10 cab. They are rated at 50 watts each and so I think they would handle your power requirements just fine. I like them a lot, they are not overly bright ( I have a bright amp). I was just in NZ, reminded me of CA in the 50's, which means it's perfect for surf music! Good luck! Top
cirecc Joined: Mar 06, 2006 Posts: 292 seattle, wa	Posted on Aug 23 2016 10:32 AM Jake and I were actually talking about eminence speakers the other day. I have experience with those webers and use them in my tremolux combo cab (they might be 30w, I'm not sure anymore). They are bright and smooth. Eminence is making great speakers at great prices, especially when you are experimenting. I have a cannabis Rex that I used in a tweed deluxe for a while and now is in a closed back 1x12". It's a very efficient and punchy speaker that will roll off any ice pick highs. With a bassman, you may not want that, but they make a lot of quality speakers that are efficient and consistent. I wouldn't be afraid to go that route if that's what's available. — -Eric New music! https://thedesolatecoast.bandcamp.com/releases Spotify Also: https://theverb.bandcamp.com/ https://www.facebook.com/theverbseattle/ Top
dboomer Joined: Jan 05, 2009 Posts: 262 Port Hueneme, CA	Posted on Aug 23 2016 01:47 PM Pihabeach82 wrote: Anyone able to comment on alnico vs ceramic ... The material used for a magnet makes zero difference to the sound of a speaker. Gauss in the gap is gauss in the gap. So while you may well hear differences between speakers that difference is cause by other elements and not the magnet material itself. Top
Pihabeach82 Joined: Sep 29, 2015 Posts: 470	Posted on Aug 24 2016 12:26 AM Cool I've actually sourced a celestion g10v for a fair price that I will try Along side it I've ordered two things to try 1. Eminence copperhead 2. Jensen jet tornado Will keep ya'll posted Top
Pihabeach82 Joined: Sep 29, 2015 Posts: 470	Posted on Aug 24 2016 12:28 AM choice_of_meat wrote: I've not used eminence 10's, but I've been using Tone Tubby 10's in my 2x10 cab. They are rated at 50 watts each and so I think they would handle your power requirements just fine. I like them a lot, they are not overly bright ( I have a bright amp). I was just in NZ, reminded me of CA in the 50's, which means it's perfect for surf music! Good luck! Haha cool Where abouts did you visit ? It is great for surf music actually We are playing at a cool little beach side gig at a lawn bowls club next month Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4536 Wisconsin	Posted on Aug 24 2016 04:28 AM Pihabeach82 wrote: Cool I've actually sourced a celestion g10v for a fair price that I will try Along side it I've ordered two things to try 1. Eminence copperhead 2. Jensen jet tornado Will keep ya'll posted Cool, thanks. I'd be interested in your impressions of the Tornado. I like the poster (and the day). Wonder if my wife could wrangle me a trip to NZ as a birthday present... — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
Pihabeach82 Joined: Sep 29, 2015 Posts: 470	Posted on Aug 24 2016 01:19 PM Badger wrote: Pihabeach82 wrote: Cool I've actually sourced a celestion g10v for a fair price that I will try Along side it I've ordered two things to try 1. Eminence copperhead 2. Jensen jet tornado Will keep ya'll posted Cool, thanks. I'd be interested in your impressions of the Tornado. I like the poster (and the day). Wonder if my wife could wrangle me a trip to NZ as a birthday present... C Yeh, come on down! I'll buy you a lion red. I have to warn you I don't think the other bands are surf orientated ...shock!!!! Top
dannylectro Joined: Aug 18, 2008 Posts: 361 Orange, CA	Posted on Aug 30 2016 06:36 PM The Weber 20 watt speakers won't cut it, not enough power handing for the amp. Get two JBL D110's and you'll be set! Top

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