Surfabilly
Joined: Apr 21, 2006
Posts: 852
Connersville, Indiana, USA
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Posted on May 21 2007 07:30 PM
For software, I have Sony ACID Music Studio (whatever was the version in 2004). My computer is an hp pavilion (2.6GHz P4; 1GB RAM; 2x 250GB/16MB HDDs; 256MB GeForce FX 5500 video; Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound). I have a Line 6 Guitar POD 2.0, and even a Crate PowerBlock, to put between the guitars and computer. Is this good enough to get started on recording, or do I need a bit more?
Matt
— Fast Cars & Loud Guitars!
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on May 21 2007 07:32 PM
You are missing microphones and something to put the microphone into. Don't record direct. Record with a mic that is mic'ing an amp. Think we recorded our album with a POD or Powerblock? Not a chance.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11041
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on May 21 2007 07:51 PM
I have to disagree with Jake. Yes, everything he says is true, but not necessary for a first stab at making creations. I made my first demos bouncing tracks off a portable cassette player to an old reel to reel my folks had. I'm still proud of some of that stuff.
Matt, just dive in with what you got. You'll learn what you need as you go along, very shortly. I know nothing about computer stuff so other people will have to advise you. Still, if you want to simplify your life, buy a standalone digital recorder - tascam dp-01 works fine for me - $300 Ebay new. I and others run direct from reverb (outboard) into the recorder with fine results.
Good luck.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on May 21 2007 07:55 PM
We do demos Danny's way. Not really meant for public consumption though. Decent sounding but a little sterile.
Also, I figured that since Matt spent so much on getting the guitars for the sound he wanted that he might want to record something with a real studio quality.
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LHR
Joined: Aug 23, 2006
Posts: 2123
The jungle
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Posted on May 21 2007 08:27 PM
Also, the powerblock is not necessary when going from the Pod. The Pod has line-level outputs which essentially makes it a DI box.
Shame you didn't invest in the Pod XT, though which has nifty USB output. "Why", you say? Well, the Turtle Beach is a pretty good soundcard but will have RF interference and (most importantly) latency issues. You could get around all that however by going ASIO/USB if you pick up one of these little honeys, and for less than $25 if you shop around a little: Behringer UCA-202
— SSIV
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Surfabilly
Joined: Apr 21, 2006
Posts: 852
Connersville, Indiana, USA
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Posted on May 22 2007 06:48 PM
I'd say that my first upgrade will be an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 card, to replace the Santa Cruz card. For recording as a one-man-band, I don't really foresee me needing anymore than that. The only reason I'd mentioned my PowerBlock is, to be able to add and have better control over effects than with using the POD. Of course, for using a computer, I could always record clean then add the desired effects.
For now, I'm just looking at what's the quickest, absolute bare minimum means to start recording, then evolve my home recording studio from the setup I've mentioned in my initial query. At this point, I may go for the Bass POD XT before I go for the Guitar POD XT, as I don't yet have a POD for my bass(es). I've already got my Guitar POD 2.0, so it'll have to do, until I'm able to go for the XT. I'm not quite sure, yet, what other rack mount devices will join the future Guitar and Bass PODs, but at this point I don't really see myself needing anymore than an 8-space rack, in order to get the best sounds possible as my studio evolves.
Matt
— Fast Cars & Loud Guitars!
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LHR
Joined: Aug 23, 2006
Posts: 2123
The jungle
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Posted on May 22 2007 11:33 PM
Surfabilly
I'd say that my first upgrade will be an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 card, to replace the Santa Cruz card...
Suit yourself. But if you are doing multitrack recording, expect a troubling time offset. You will have a hard time synchronizing new tracks to exisiting ones if you are playing in real time. As well, since it is a PCI card, you will have to deal with the interference issue. If I were you, I would go Firewire or USB for my soundcard. Do youself a favor and check out the Edirol UA-1EX, for example, if you must have resolution greater than 16/48 and wish to spend about $100, as it seems you do. Whatever you do, make sure you get ASIO driver support!
Oh, also, I recently attempted to go from Crate Powerblock XLR out to the mixer for recording purposes as you are suggesting. The results were less than satisfactory. Very noisy. Might be okay for direct-to-PA but as a recording interface I had no use for it. YMMV, of course.
— SSIV
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badash
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Posts: 1732
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Posted on Jun 05 2007 01:35 PM
This is coming from a total recording newbie and my goals were not to compete with the level of quality demanded by someone like say Jake who is recording albums for a real working band! He has real deal gorgeous amps and needs to capture every nuance that gear is capable of producing. I just want to document my ideas, make backing tracks to practice over, do stuff for my kids, etc. If you are more into what I describe, this advise might be helpful.
For PC recording there are a number of direct to USB and firewire machines that don't require a special soundcard. I picked up an M-audio Black Box for $139 (they're more than that now) and I can't think of anything I've bought in the last couple years that was a cooler piece of kit. It not only has direct in but it also has a mic cable in for "real" recording. Tons of other options in the less than $200 range.
Mine has 50 or so drumbeats, tons of amp models (I pretty much only use the Fender twin for surf/spaghetti), tons of effects. Heck the Tremolo effect is so good it's making me search out boutique trems because the usual suspects aren't as good as the black box. For "rough demos", backing tracks to practice to, just documenting ideas, it's awesome.
I do plan on getting a mic, but not until I invest in good software. I have no difficult doing multi-track stuff but then again, I'm not using particularly sophisticated software, just the free Ableton and the free Audacity someone else here recommended. If you'd like I could crank a quick one take off the top of the head thing, and time how long it took to get it recorded and send it to you...
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2768
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Jun 05 2007 02:09 PM
There are a LOT of affordable digital machines out there right now. I have my eye on a Korg D-888. It appears to be a staggeringly good machine for $600. Check it out. I plan to do all our live recording with one. It's only drawback is the 16 bit format, but for the cost and what it will do, I can't find fault with that........ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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estreet
Joined: Mar 17, 2007
Posts: 839
United Kingdom
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Posted on Jun 05 2007 02:44 PM
badash
I picked up an M-audio Black Box for $139 (they're more than that now) and I can't think of anything I've bought in the last couple years that was a cooler piece of kit.
I picked one of these up here in the UK for the same price. I'm using it as an interface into Garageband on the iMac for my demos and it's really good. I use a Tascam HDD for recording the band, and the Black Box works very well with that too - wheras interfaces like the Line6 guitar one only work with a computer.
The drum machine is about as un-surf as it's Roger Linn heritage would suggest (very early 90s 'power kit') but it's good fun for doing Angus Young impersonations using the excellent JTM45 emulation. Nonetheless, as an interface and amp simulator it's extremely useful for surf demos - though admittedly much better with an outboard tank.
If you buy one, make sure you either have firmware version 2 or upgrade your Box (free) from M- Audio's website, as the version 1 has only twelve amp sims (instead of 40), no reverb etc. - I had to do this with mine.
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badash
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Posts: 1732
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Posted on Jun 08 2007 10:14 PM
Hey surfabilly! Check this out. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Fast-Track-USB-Computer-Recording-Interface?sku=703606V
USB interface with amp and effect modeling software for your computer for $79. Guitar and Mic inputs... Dude. That's pretty cheap. Lots of other recording stuff on clearance over there...
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casey
Joined: May 18, 2006
Posts: 520
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Posted on Aug 10 2007 08:55 PM
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